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what's up everybody

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glad you could join us

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we have a pretty

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great show because we have jay

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on the show

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jay

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is my favorite person usually on

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wednesdays but today it's on thursday

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i'll take it

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any day

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if i saw you every day then i could say

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you're my favorite person every day oh

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man that's so bad beautiful that's so

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wonderful to hear i appreciate it

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you're not a poem but

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you're you're you're my favorite you're

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my favorite guy on wednesdays and

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thursdays and any day that i'd see you

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absolutely i agree yeah it's really

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sweet man what's going on that we keep

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it to only a couple days or

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our loved ones will probably get pretty

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irritated oh that

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yeah i could totally understand that i

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could totally understand that and you

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know for those that don't know

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um

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uh

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we shawn and i actually got to hang out

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in person for the very first time this

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last weekend in new york city which was

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in new jersey which was absolutely

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wonderful at least according to me i

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thought it was awesome

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it was fantastic i left my shoes at your

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house and that's the one part that

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pissed me off but i also kind of did it

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on purpose because then i could just get

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a new pair and i love buying new pairs

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of shoes

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well i'm happy to be an excuse generator

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for you in the shoe department that's

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absolutely a-okay

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it was really cool you know it was

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really cool i see kirsten in the chat we

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got to hang out with kirsten

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um we got to hang out with james iandoli

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from engaging the phenomenon

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we also got to hang out with priscilla

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the quantum witch herself which was

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which was incredible

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yes it was yeah

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it was pretty great um did you mention

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james

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yeah yeah

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but i'll mention him again because he

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rules

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weren't you surprised at how jacked

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james is when you uh when you saw him

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for the first time were you surprised

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because i was no i was surprised at his

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height but not his jackness i i expected

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him to be jacked

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um you can tell he's get that upper

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shoulder strength is is just

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can't compete nobody can compete with

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that so but i kind of figured he'd be

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about my my height but i saw him in

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person he's like what is he seven

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two something like that

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i think he's only like six four but

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at least but he's only six four and

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roughly like two and a half times the

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width of me his shoulders are you know i

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feel like if you just threw a bunch of

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a bunch of hair you know glue and hair

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at him he would have like a sasquatch

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costume like already

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kind of going you know i just wanted to

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start the james 7 2 rumor online oh

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that's a good idea

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yeah

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james and doley has a posse it could be

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like those old shepherd fairy bumper

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stickers about uh andre the giant so i

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i feel like so much is happening these

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uh for sure i mean even since the

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hearings we've we've had so much stuff

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and i i always love to

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talk about the little the little tidbits

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of people like elizondo talk about on

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interviews and uh ross coldheart uh

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which which i want to get to but

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um we also had a uh article from

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liberation times it was about how nasa

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wants to get in the uap game or is

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um and we have a scu conference coming

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we have james webb telescope unveiling

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there's so much photos next month

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so yeah what do you pick what do you

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gosh um well let's see well first of all

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i would like to say hi to everybody in

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the chat um because they're absolutely

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wonderful and uh

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it's always great to see folks like

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andres and elena and kirsten and anony t

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and benji

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and jonathan and everybody else that

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happens to be over there right now

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robert robert goford and others uh

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thanks for joining us and thanks for

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keeping everything as

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wonderful and respectful over there as

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at every every time we get together

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um yes yes there's so much but you know

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so no spoilers but um why don't we uh do

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you want to hit the um do you want to

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hit the nasa news first because that

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might be one of the older things sure

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all the way from last friday well it's

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interesting it's interesting because you

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know it almost seemed like on purpose

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you have bill nelson coming out there

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such and such other worlds have oceans

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and if they have oceans they have life

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you know and who are we to say that

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we're the only intelligent ones out

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there and and all that and

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here we are uh lou alexander's dropping

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a little hint done

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uh you may be hearing some news from

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nasa and then

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uh we don't hear news directly from nasa

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but we heard it from uh christopher

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sharp on liberation times

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who who talked about this nasa story who

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basically they're going to help out

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apparently with the

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in the the hunt for red october or uaps

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it's pretty interesting and

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you know

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and they're going to interview like

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astronauts apparently that that head

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encounters

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which uh we you know we know of one

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unfortunately wouldn't be able to

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to discuss it even though he didn't see

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astronaut but uh edward uh mitchell

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edgar mitchell yeah so

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um but i'd be interested

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you know the fact to me that they're

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gonna go back and review footage and

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talk to people like that um means to me

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are so to speak and maybe they're gonna

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put those on record um

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but i don't know uh what do you think i

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think we even we got a quote from a

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friend a show on this i believe

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we sure do we sure do yeah so

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yeah absolutely sean

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uh as christopher sharp was saying in

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the liberty liberation times article

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this move would make sense and assist

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or aoi msg office with its legislated

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mission which includes coordination with

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nasa the department of homeland security

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the national oceanic and atmospheric

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administration and the department of

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and with the exception of nasa no word

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has come out of any other agency listed

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above as of yet

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so um it'll be interesting to pursue

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those leads in the weeks and months

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aoi msg has already requested footage

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from nasa cameras during space missions

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as part of its investigations

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now of course that's going to be

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interesting to anybody that has been

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looking into

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uap ufo videos

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for any length of time online because

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strongest candidates for where to look

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for reliable possibilities of ufo and

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uap footage has been those live casts

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that nasa has famously done from their

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missions for many many years and so you

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know there's been this long-standing

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story among researchers that nasa cuts

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its live fiat footage uh um from the

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international space station or any other

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space missions as soon as

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anything interesting shows up right in

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terms of anomalies and there have been

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and you know uh it seems

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if you're just walking into the field as

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if that might be kind of conspiratorial

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or odd or things like that but there

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situations where that did happen

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now you know is is that because

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they of a larger policy or is it

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specifically because of uaps

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um that yeah we we still don't know but

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the fact that the aoi msg office is

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requesting those tapes

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might give some validation to the people

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that have been scouring that footage for

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right and you know another thing that we

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could mention is or you know is the uap

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that's a great point i i've literally

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never thought about it that way but you

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know if they can turn off if they can

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turn off nukes at maelstrom then you

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know one would one would assume that

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they might be able to turn off a cctv

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camera on the international space

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and there's all sorts of things that

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they screw with just electronics in

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general right yeah like car engines uh

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you know communication systems radios

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also all sorts of stuff so and it does

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seem like a lot of the time that uh uavs

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or ufos um

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prefer to i don't know

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be sneaky about it

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absolutely for whatever reason so

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you know absolutely

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they could have their own reasons that's

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one thing i think we miss out on not to

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go too far down this road because we

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have other stuff to hit but that's one

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thing i feel like um

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you know that doesn't get talked about

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enough as if disclosure is going to be

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up to us or a government entity

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you know when we have something as

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sophisticated and technologically

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advanced

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um as as the uap and the different

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beings that are out there like who's to

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say that

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we have anything to do with disclosure

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and it's not completely up to

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they would want it to happen themselves

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i would tend to agree there are a couple

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of interesting quotes here and then

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we've got a quote of our own for the day

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that's an exclusive um christopher got a

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quote from kevin knuth who's associate

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professor of physics

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and a former nasa research scientist and

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kevin also took part in the scientific

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work um on the tear in the sky project

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recently um

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with the the documentary that was

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documenting

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probable tic tacs and other anomalies

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over the area near the catalina island

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right and kevin says i'm excited to hear

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that nasa may be about to become

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involved in uap studies it's about time

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that scientists start taking the subject

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seriously especially since there's a

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potential for paradigm shifting

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implications i'd be very interested in

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knowing whether nasa astronauts

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have had any encounters with uaps like

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us navy pilots

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so

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kevin seems to be tipping his his hand

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towards

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the stories like those of edgar mitchell

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and um

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those that edgar mitchell collected and

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say uh like gordon cooper gordon cooper

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was also a figure that who was an

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astronaut that um had a sighting himself

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and actually

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uh according to him took some

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photographic evidence of a landing at

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one point

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right um

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and there have been other astronaut um

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cases as well and you know maybe that's

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fodder for for a future episode with us

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is looking at just astronaut cases which

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would be super cool sure yeah and i mean

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i've even hit on

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nasa you know um tipping their toes in

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the water of ufos in the past for sure i

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mean one everything from a case of 64

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where they had uh dr paul sippl coined

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the term um

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windchill actually investigated a

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landing case out there he was a

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scientific attache at the time in

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australia it was canberra

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i believe it was in a couple of nasa

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engineers that were located out there

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investigating the scene uh documents are

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in blue book and

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the

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but um you know i post on twitter i did

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a definite uh forum where they were

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investigating uh ufos and

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um space vehicle fragments and

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everything you know by you know and i

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got that by way of clifford stone who is

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actually the original foya king by the

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way

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um

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for sure you're absolutely right you're

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absolutely right

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and it's and it's really important to to

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remember

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because um

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you know often the history of our field

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gets scrubbed

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uh for its more wild and wooly elements

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right because

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for for better for worse a lot of people

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think that it's it's important to be as

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buttoned up as possible and clifford

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stone in many ways was anything but

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buttoned up after he left the service uh

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he was a really really interesting guy

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that uh put his fingers in all sorts of

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different directions was an experiencer

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himself and a highly controversial

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figure and a lot to some certain uh

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factions in ufology but boy was he an

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incredible researcher and an incredible

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collector of documents and yeah yeah the

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original foia king for sure um uh

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you want to play the the the clip from

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uh mr sure science science bob mcguire

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sure yeah um we got a we got a i got a

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quote from bob earlier to to play on the

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show it's just a little clip and

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here we go part of it is

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he was we had an earlier conversation we

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were trying to map out like um because

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nasa was trying to underline that they

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were not opening their own office but

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they were going to be coordinating and

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bob had a couple things to say earlier

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in a private conversation with me about

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why that might be why they might not

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have their own office so this quote is

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in relation to that uh real quick uh who

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who's who's bob mcguire right yeah right

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there we go okay so uh science bob dr

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bob mcguire um has had a long history

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we've had him on the show before

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he has a long history of working in the

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intelligence community uh specifically

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he works in

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detection signal protection and has a

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long-standing history of doing work

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with um

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satellites in orbit

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and so

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he uh he co-founded co-created

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hawkeye 360 which is a surveillance

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company

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and

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that works

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in their range of radio frequency

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detection

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so that you know you could make

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reasonable assumptions about why would

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we look for radio frequency detection

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facing the earth maybe in

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in terms of troop movements things like

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that

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so anyway

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uh so i happened to phone a friend in

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that phone of friends of ours uh she's a

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guy who's a literal space entrepreneur

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he knows how this stuff works he knows

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how this stuff works okay yeah and he

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also has a really charming southern

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accent so here's bro here's bob mcguire

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let's see if this place let's queue it

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in their charter there's no line item in

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their budget to allow it but scientists

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can be assigned

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by other to other entities to work in

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things that are supporting areas so

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another agency can transfer money to

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nasa a thing called a member and have

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nasa work in its own spaces but it's

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still on behalf of another agency under

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that agency's charter and budget so it's

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just nasa needs to get congress to act

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all right yeah i i think you guys maybe

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heard half of that should i play it

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again or did you get that yeah

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okay cool yeah do one more time close up

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all right like over here on the axis was

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that working okay yeah

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okay here let's do it again now

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this is great for me i'm sorry you guys

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uh and and ladies um but

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now i get to hear his accent again which

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is great

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nasa does not have search for uap or the

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equivalent in their charter there's no

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line item in their budget to allow it

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but scientists can be assigned

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by other to other entities to work in

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things that are supporting areas so

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another agency can transfer money to

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nasa in a thing called a mipper and have

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nasa work in its own spaces but it's

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still on behalf of another agency under

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that agency's charter and budget so it's

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just nasa needs to get congress to act

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and the president to sign it before they

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he really does a good job at the end too

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with that

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a uap office yeah he really stuck the

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landing i appreciated that

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yeah

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i mean that's interesting i wonder if

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you know some of uh the article or the

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hubbub or the rumor or whatever is is to

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generate

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or

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things in motion you know way of letting

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the public know hey we're interested

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you know we want to do something

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i think there's been a lot of that

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happening in a lot of different

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directions lately i think it's it seems

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that it's it's a really common strategy

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um

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to to float these kinds of articles uh

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to get those kinds of conversations

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going you know sometimes people float

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whole books to get funding um yeah you

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know right um

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that's true

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so um so it's really interesting and

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really great reporting on part of our of

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chris sharp so we'll see in the days

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ahead how nasa's able to do this and of

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course you know again also um

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towards

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in terms of like ufo history ufology

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history it's important to recognize that

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um you know there's been a lot of

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bewildering

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status with regard to like secret space

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programs because of of people that have

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tried to come out as as being involved

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in time travel programs and all manner

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of things but it's important to

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recognize that there that there has been

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the the space command that has had

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confidential

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um missions since at least 1986. i mean

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we know that you can find that on

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wikipedia that's common knowledge and

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and part of why space force exists right

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now is to kind of have a more above

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board sense of what supposedly of what's

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going on in terms of space-faring

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missions so nasa being a public face of

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this and

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uh it

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there's an element of pr that's

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happening here but uh you know i welcome

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any transparency whatsoever as i'm sure

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you do as well yeah most definitely it's

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interesting that you mentioned uh space

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command 2 because it kind of

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um it it makes me think of you know a

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place we've all been hearing about a lot

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lately which is a huntsville alabama

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um and space command

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moving there

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thank you

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um and

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um it's a it's a very interesting area

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for a variety of reasons

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um

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one of which is a story that's been kind

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of popping about lately which is

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a scientist uh doctor i'm gonna screw

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the name up uh ningli perhaps it is

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that's right that's right um it's really

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interesting to bring that up yeah i mean

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huntsville alabama has been coming up

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for a whole lot of reasons lately you're

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it's absolutely true um in part starting

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tomorrow the scu conference is actually

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um

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the scientific conference on

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anomalous aerospace phenomena

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by

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for uap studies it's starting tomorrow

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it's running through the weekend we can

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come back to that in a minute but one

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important thing to talk about here is is

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yeah basically um there's always been

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or almost always as far as i know

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there's there's

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the the tagline for huntsville is um

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rocket city they're kind of they're kind

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of named for themselves as rocket city

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uh it's often been a place where

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experimental uh

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uh flight technology has been worked out

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and

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keith basterfield lately have been doing

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a lot of good digging with regard to

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what's been happening in huntsville in

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the last 20 years because it seems like

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there has been a lot that has been

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hidden from public view and that it

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seems that there are some notable hires

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that have been happening lately in

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huntsville that would seem to indicate

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that

566
00:22:43,190 --> 00:22:39,200
different defense contractors

567
00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:43,200
working in huntsville are keenly aware

568
00:22:45,909 --> 00:22:44,000
that

569
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:45,919
their projects can't necessarily hide

570
00:22:49,270 --> 00:22:47,360
any longer

571
00:22:53,029 --> 00:22:49,280
in terms of what they're doing out there

572
00:22:55,990 --> 00:22:53,039
interesting yeah and dr eric davis

573
00:22:57,830 --> 00:22:56,000
uh wilson uh davis notes he works for uh

574
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:57,840
aerospace company i believe it's called

575
00:23:01,350 --> 00:22:59,600
right for europe

576
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,360
aerospace corporation that's absolutely

577
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:03,760
right it's located out there i believe

578
00:23:15,029 --> 00:23:04,960
uh

579
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:15,039
that's right he just got hired yeah

580
00:23:18,470 --> 00:23:16,400
that's really interesting there's

581
00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:18,480
there's a company called radiance

582
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:20,000
technologies

583
00:23:23,590 --> 00:23:22,080
um that's out there and they have

584
00:23:25,029 --> 00:23:23,600
recently hired

585
00:23:26,870 --> 00:23:25,039
um both

586
00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:26,880
i and this was pointed out this is this

587
00:23:29,830 --> 00:23:28,799
story was actually um

588
00:23:34,310 --> 00:23:29,840
uh

589
00:23:37,510 --> 00:23:34,320
week and people have been doing some

590
00:23:39,909 --> 00:23:37,520
follow-up uh research on this but dr

591
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:39,919
travis taylor who we

592
00:23:44,149 --> 00:23:42,320
might mainly know from the skinwalker

593
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:44,159
ranch television program he's also been

594
00:23:47,909 --> 00:23:45,919
on ancient aliens heck he's even part of

595
00:23:48,830 --> 00:23:47,919
the ancient aliens live

596
00:23:52,310 --> 00:23:48,840
like

597
00:23:55,029 --> 00:23:52,320
theater to me would just be fantastic i

598
00:23:56,070 --> 00:23:55,039
mean oh my gosh just seeing tt in the

599
00:23:57,990 --> 00:23:56,080
flesh

600
00:24:01,029 --> 00:23:58,000
uh that would just that would be the

601
00:24:03,909 --> 00:24:01,039
bee's knees um the the nina

602
00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:03,919
apologies to any people from the south

603
00:24:07,590 --> 00:24:05,440
um you know

604
00:24:08,789 --> 00:24:07,600
travis taylor is a great

605
00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:08,799
great um

606
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:11,840
uh example of a brilliant person who

607
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:13,360
just happens to have a southern accent

608
00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:14,559
and we know that there are millions of

609
00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:17,120
these people so but it's just too fun of

610
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:18,799
an accent not to do right

611
00:24:23,549 --> 00:24:22,559
it's a fun accent and then lady worked

612
00:24:29,029 --> 00:24:23,559
on

613
00:24:30,950 --> 00:24:29,039
so um yes and i did a little looking up

614
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:30,960
on her i found actually a couple of

615
00:24:36,310 --> 00:24:34,159
articles one was like she'd been rather

616
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:36,320
quiet and and and the guy says that

617
00:24:39,350 --> 00:24:37,760
makes sense she's been rather quiet

618
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,360
lately i haven't heard from her in some

619
00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:41,600
time but did see a recent funding

620
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:43,120
request that appears to have been

621
00:24:47,590 --> 00:24:45,120
fulfilled by the department of defense

622
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:47,600
so it seems they may be financing part

623
00:24:51,350 --> 00:24:50,159
of the research and um the person says

624
00:24:53,029 --> 00:24:51,360
well they did and i was a part of the

625
00:24:55,430 --> 00:24:53,039
oversight committee it was done by the

626
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:55,440
us army and uh redstone arsenal in

627
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:58,320
huntsville uh ningli is the name she's a

628
00:25:02,310 --> 00:25:00,799
brilliant scientist um

629
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:02,320
and

630
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:05,039
she's she's done that work uh through a

631
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:08,240
company actually called ac gravity

632
00:25:13,269 --> 00:25:11,360
uh llc which was her company

633
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,279
um she's no longer with us unfortunately

634
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:14,960
she passed away last year

635
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:16,320
um but

636
00:25:21,269 --> 00:25:19,360
so people are kind of wondering um

637
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:21,279
i guess you know there's just a lot of

638
00:25:26,789 --> 00:25:24,240
mystery around it you could say but um

639
00:25:29,909 --> 00:25:26,799
you know the but anyways the the

640
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:29,919
agreement that her company ac gravity uh

641
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:32,240
i'll see got um

642
00:25:38,230 --> 00:25:34,559
it was the title of the agreement

643
00:25:40,310 --> 00:25:38,240
was uh gravito electromagnetic super con

644
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:40,320
conductivity experiment um and the

645
00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:42,880
awarding office was us army aviation and

646
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:44,640
missile command so

647
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:47,760
and that was effective in 2001 at the

648
00:25:50,630 --> 00:25:49,039
time i believe

649
00:25:52,710 --> 00:25:50,640
or a little bit before i think actually

650
00:25:54,870 --> 00:25:52,720
in 1999 there was a quote from her

651
00:25:56,950 --> 00:25:54,880
saying that she had

652
00:25:58,950 --> 00:25:56,960
gotten whatever she was working on and

653
00:26:00,950 --> 00:25:58,960
it's you know the the terms aren't as

654
00:26:02,149 --> 00:26:00,960
specific as anti-gravity it's it's

655
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,159
something

656
00:26:06,870 --> 00:26:05,039
that pretty much is describing you know

657
00:26:07,909 --> 00:26:06,880
what makes anti-gravity possible

658
00:26:09,909 --> 00:26:07,919
basically

659
00:26:12,630 --> 00:26:09,919
um and she said they were about like

660
00:26:15,830 --> 00:26:12,640
five years out from it being a realistic

661
00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:15,840
possibility and i'm thinking like man 99

662
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:19,840
2000 one two three 2004 and we have the

663
00:26:24,070 --> 00:26:22,159
tic-tac event in 2004 my mind starts

664
00:26:27,029 --> 00:26:24,080
racing i'm like what the heck is going

665
00:26:29,430 --> 00:26:27,039
on but you know there's there's better

666
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,440
investigators out there than me that are

667
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,960
that are working this this is just a

668
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,880
quick dig that i did today

669
00:26:36,549 --> 00:26:35,279
um so she's a very interesting lady for

670
00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,559
sure so

671
00:26:40,630 --> 00:26:38,720
well it's it's interesting that you that

672
00:26:43,029 --> 00:26:40,640
you bring this up because

673
00:26:45,110 --> 00:26:43,039
there was a um

674
00:26:47,669 --> 00:26:45,120
you know keith basterfield he just put

675
00:26:51,110 --> 00:26:47,679
up a new article yesterday last night

676
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:51,120
late and uh i got a ping from him uh

677
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:52,480
after he put it up he's really good

678
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:54,320
about stuff like that which is awesome

679
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,440
um

680
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:56,640
and uh

681
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,080
and so

682
00:27:02,630 --> 00:27:00,559
folks can go to keith basterfield's blog

683
00:27:04,230 --> 00:27:02,640
spot if they if they'd like to look into

684
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:04,240
this a little bit more i highly

685
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:05,840
recommend

686
00:27:10,390 --> 00:27:08,159
i'll mention something uh here that ties

687
00:27:12,870 --> 00:27:10,400
it back to our show last week but for

688
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:12,880
those that don't know keith basterfield

689
00:27:18,870 --> 00:27:16,400
is a gem of a researcher he's often

690
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:18,880
so far ahead of the curve in terms of

691
00:27:24,870 --> 00:27:22,399
the story um that the public narrative

692
00:27:26,870 --> 00:27:24,880
of the story of ufology he's so far

693
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:26,880
ahead you know he's one of these guys

694
00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:29,200
that's so far ahead of you on the earth

695
00:27:32,149 --> 00:27:30,720
in terms of these cycles that sometimes

696
00:27:34,870 --> 00:27:32,159
it feels like he's actually standing

697
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,880
right behind you you know what i mean

698
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,320
because he doesn't mess around with like

699
00:27:39,990 --> 00:27:39,120
twitter or interviews he just does his

700
00:27:42,149 --> 00:27:40,000
work

701
00:27:44,389 --> 00:27:42,159
yep it's a it's absolutely true he's

702
00:27:47,110 --> 00:27:44,399
really sweet he's a sweetheart though um

703
00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:47,120
so back in 2019

704
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:50,799
okay he did a really interesting article

705
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:51,600
um

706
00:27:59,789 --> 00:27:52,559
and

707
00:28:02,789 --> 00:27:59,799
a conference that happened in

708
00:28:05,190 --> 00:28:02,799
2003 now you might have been referencing

709
00:28:06,870 --> 00:28:05,200
part of this part of this conference

710
00:28:08,789 --> 00:28:06,880
um

711
00:28:10,470 --> 00:28:08,799
it could be no actually this is in the

712
00:28:12,710 --> 00:28:10,480
this is in the new article i'm sorry i

713
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:12,720
got it mixed up so yes

714
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:13,760
his

715
00:28:19,990 --> 00:28:16,799
ningley's funding uh was highlighted in

716
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,000
that 2019 uh

717
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:22,000
uh report that he did that blog post

718
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:25,440
that he did and in this new post uh it

719
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:28,480
points out that ningli presented at a

720
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:30,320
2003

721
00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:32,080
conference called the mitre

722
00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,520
gravitational wave conference okay now

723
00:28:39,750 --> 00:28:37,200
um now

724
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:39,760
people are on the hunt for the paper

725
00:28:44,710 --> 00:28:42,960
that she presented that day it's really

726
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:44,720
in

727
00:28:53,830 --> 00:28:50,880
remember that the wilson davis notes

728
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:53,840
happened in the beginning of october of

729
00:29:00,070 --> 00:28:56,880
2002 right and and some of that was

730
00:29:01,510 --> 00:29:00,080
about davis finding out about um about

731
00:29:04,310 --> 00:29:01,520
the potentialities of reverse

732
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:04,320
engineering and walt wilson hitting a

733
00:29:10,230 --> 00:29:07,440
wall right right now this conference

734
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:10,240
happened in 2003 this gravitational wave

735
00:29:14,950 --> 00:29:12,720
conference in 2003 well

736
00:29:16,870 --> 00:29:14,960
guess who else was at the conference and

737
00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:16,880
who actually presented at that

738
00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:18,960
conference eric davis

739
00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:23,679
eric davis and hal put off wow

740
00:29:27,990 --> 00:29:25,279
holy crap

741
00:29:30,230 --> 00:29:28,000
yeah and so there's there's there's a

742
00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:30,240
little bit of circumstantial evidence

743
00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:33,520
that that seems to suggest that you know

744
00:29:38,870 --> 00:29:35,840
they were following some really serious

745
00:29:42,310 --> 00:29:38,880
leads there and got themselves really

746
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,320
enmeshed in in um in the dialogue that

747
00:29:46,630 --> 00:29:44,240
was happening at the time with

748
00:29:48,389 --> 00:29:46,640
and uh you know and so it's really

749
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:48,399
interesting to kind of look through this

750
00:29:54,470 --> 00:29:51,039
and again this this story

751
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:54,480
just kind of getting into it um it's

752
00:29:58,710 --> 00:29:56,720
there's going to be a lot of reporting

753
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:58,720
that'll probably come out in the next in

754
00:30:04,149 --> 00:30:01,840
the next month covering ning li what

755
00:30:06,789 --> 00:30:04,159
happens down in huntsville this weekend

756
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:06,799
with the scu conference and what what

757
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,720
else is happening with regard to places

758
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:11,200
like aerospace corporation and all of

759
00:30:14,950 --> 00:30:13,440
the other defense contractors that are

760
00:30:16,710 --> 00:30:14,960
collected down there in huntsville

761
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:16,720
alabama right

762
00:30:19,590 --> 00:30:17,520
yeah

763
00:30:21,990 --> 00:30:19,600
and i've said it before but the earth's

764
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:22,000
crust is just about thickest around

765
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:24,880
huntsville alabama and that turns into

766
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:27,120
magnetic anomalies so whatever that

767
00:30:29,269 --> 00:30:28,240
means

768
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:29,279
that's right

769
00:30:34,310 --> 00:30:31,360
next so what else we got on the news

770
00:30:36,149 --> 00:30:34,320
thing that's right um okay so

771
00:30:37,990 --> 00:30:36,159
after that um would you like to talk

772
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:38,000
about the the

773
00:30:42,230 --> 00:30:40,320
representative tim burchard uh lou

774
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:42,240
elizondo interview

775
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:43,840
yeah

776
00:30:48,310 --> 00:30:45,760
you know i was thinking about that and

777
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,320
and there wasn't a whole lot uh that i

778
00:30:51,909 --> 00:30:50,799
haven't heard before there

779
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:51,919
i think

780
00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:54,399
he's more stout on um

781
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:55,279
you know

782
00:30:58,149 --> 00:30:56,960
these things not being russian or

783
00:31:00,389 --> 00:30:58,159
chinese

784
00:31:02,549 --> 00:31:00,399
which is nice right and i think we

785
00:31:03,509 --> 00:31:02,559
talked about that briefly in the past

786
00:31:05,110 --> 00:31:03,519
um

787
00:31:07,190 --> 00:31:05,120
and but the

788
00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:07,200
overall just my take away from that is

789
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:09,120
is it's nice to see

790
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:10,159
uh

791
00:31:16,389 --> 00:31:14,240
championing this and and taking the time

792
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:16,399
to interview a person like louisando and

793
00:31:20,950 --> 00:31:19,120
and hoping that he gets up to testify uh

794
00:31:22,310 --> 00:31:20,960
otherwise the interview itself i feel

795
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:22,320
like we've heard

796
00:31:28,149 --> 00:31:25,679
um pretty much all that before right

797
00:31:30,710 --> 00:31:28,159
well the one thing that i thought was

798
00:31:33,830 --> 00:31:30,720
was the kind of highlight for me

799
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:33,840
um a as as

800
00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:36,240
representative bridget had had mentioned

801
00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:38,000
previously in a couple other interviews

802
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:39,840
he's really psyched on the idea of louis

803
00:31:44,950 --> 00:31:43,519
alzondo uh testifying in in a future uh

804
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:44,960
committee hearing uh in front of

805
00:31:49,110 --> 00:31:47,519
congress and we know from plenty of

806
00:31:50,950 --> 00:31:49,120
interviews as you said that lou's

807
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,960
psyched about the possibility of do that

808
00:31:55,590 --> 00:31:52,960
doing that or at least he says yes uh

809
00:31:57,669 --> 00:31:55,600
birch it is other people are so you know

810
00:32:00,470 --> 00:31:57,679
that's out on the table one thing that i

811
00:32:02,870 --> 00:32:00,480
found interesting is that i believe it

812
00:32:06,710 --> 00:32:02,880
may have been the first time that lou

813
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:06,720
elizondo actually mentioned the name of

814
00:32:10,710 --> 00:32:09,760
the second in command at the uap task

815
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:10,720
force

816
00:32:14,470 --> 00:32:13,440
so which is which is absolutely

817
00:32:17,669 --> 00:32:14,480
incredible

818
00:32:19,029 --> 00:32:17,679
so this is this is this is actually

819
00:32:21,029 --> 00:32:19,039
what's his name

820
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:21,039
his name is john

821
00:32:24,789 --> 00:32:22,480
uh jay

822
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:24,799
stratton it's nice

823
00:32:30,070 --> 00:32:28,240
he's uh regularly referred to as jay um

824
00:32:32,389 --> 00:32:30,080
real jays like myself would call him a

825
00:32:34,630 --> 00:32:32,399
fake j because he's actually a john but

826
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:34,640
we don't have to get into that today uh

827
00:32:41,110 --> 00:32:37,840
he's it's j stratton uh a really

828
00:32:45,190 --> 00:32:41,120
interesting fellow who many people okay

829
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:45,200
a j stratton has has recently gotten

830
00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:49,200
hired uh and by radiance technologies

831
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:51,200
along with travis taylor and so

832
00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:53,039
presumably he's going to be working out

833
00:32:57,990 --> 00:32:55,039
of huntsville uh if he hasn't been

834
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:58,000
already so that's very interesting news

835
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,360
um but uh according to some people now i

836
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:03,440
don't know this to be for sure and you

837
00:33:08,070 --> 00:33:06,320
don't know this to be for sure but many

838
00:33:11,430 --> 00:33:08,080
um many people

839
00:33:14,789 --> 00:33:11,440
uh within the community uh have tied j

840
00:33:16,149 --> 00:33:14,799
stratton's name to who the pseudonym

841
00:33:19,830 --> 00:33:16,159
axelrod

842
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,840
that um that uh was used in the uh

843
00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,840
skinwalkers at the pentagon book and

844
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:23,200
elsewhere right

845
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:25,120
sounds like a juicy rumor

846
00:33:29,990 --> 00:33:27,519
absolutely right so

847
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,000
but um but j j stratton really

848
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,320
interesting guy i'm kind of like

849
00:33:36,789 --> 00:33:34,080
spinning my wheels here while i bring up

850
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:36,799
his bio but um that's okay yeah a little

851
00:33:41,590 --> 00:33:39,279
birdie actually told me um

852
00:33:43,590 --> 00:33:41,600
that uh you may be hearing from this

853
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:43,600
person and then in the near future so

854
00:33:47,509 --> 00:33:45,360
i'm looking forward to that

855
00:33:50,070 --> 00:33:47,519
yeah and this little birdie is usually

856
00:33:51,590 --> 00:33:50,080
pretty accurate so um i think that's

857
00:33:53,830 --> 00:33:51,600
probably gonna happen

858
00:33:55,509 --> 00:33:53,840
i yeah i would think so the fact that

859
00:33:57,190 --> 00:33:55,519
lube actually mentioned his name that

860
00:33:59,269 --> 00:33:57,200
george did the reporting on radiance

861
00:34:01,990 --> 00:33:59,279
technologies george doesn't usually

862
00:34:04,789 --> 00:34:02,000
bring up people's names and until

863
00:34:06,549 --> 00:34:04,799
until like maximum relevancy

864
00:34:08,629 --> 00:34:06,559
uh kind of peaks

865
00:34:10,950 --> 00:34:08,639
so i wouldn't be surprised at all if jay

866
00:34:13,030 --> 00:34:10,960
stratton comes out more in the future

867
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:13,040
he's uh he's he works for the office of

868
00:34:16,950 --> 00:34:15,280
naval intelligence that fits along with

869
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:16,960
what people have said about axelrod he's

870
00:34:20,550 --> 00:34:18,720
a senior analyst at the nimitz

871
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:20,560
operational intelligence center that's

872
00:34:25,190 --> 00:34:22,639
not the nimitz ship it's just a

873
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,200
similarly named intelligence center

874
00:34:29,909 --> 00:34:27,839
within the office of naval intelligence

875
00:34:32,550 --> 00:34:29,919
um i thought i could bring this question

876
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,560
up not to interrupt but to interrupt

877
00:34:35,430 --> 00:34:34,399
just before i forget uh because it's

878
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:35,440
often

879
00:34:41,669 --> 00:34:39,040
heard it uh kind of mentioned before is

880
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:41,679
it the same axe route as in penetration

881
00:34:44,710 --> 00:34:42,879
no

882
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:44,720
that's right that's right thanks for

883
00:34:49,190 --> 00:34:46,960
asking kristin for for clarification

884
00:34:49,990 --> 00:34:49,200
yeah um however

885
00:34:52,629 --> 00:34:50,000
um

886
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:52,639
george knapp and colin keller her have

887
00:34:59,430 --> 00:34:55,839
said that they were actually inspired by

888
00:35:02,710 --> 00:34:59,440
the pseudonym axelrod in ingoswan's

889
00:35:05,670 --> 00:35:02,720
penetration and used that pseudonym uh

890
00:35:07,829 --> 00:35:05,680
for this person uh and skin walkers at

891
00:35:10,550 --> 00:35:07,839
the pentagon as an homage

892
00:35:12,230 --> 00:35:10,560
right yeah so super great thing to bring

893
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:12,240
up though um

894
00:35:18,230 --> 00:35:14,560
absolutely if you have his bio we you

895
00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:18,240
can go through it otherwise we could um

896
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:19,520
sure

897
00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:21,119
the brazilian uap earnings would be

898
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:23,359
great too we can hit that afterwards

899
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:26,560
sure yeah absolutely and so um

900
00:35:29,510 --> 00:35:27,520
so

901
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:29,520
mr stratton entered senior executive

902
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:31,760
service in september 2018 he's

903
00:35:36,790 --> 00:35:34,320
accumulated over 32 years of experience

904
00:35:39,349 --> 00:35:36,800
in progressively responsible positions

905
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,359
with u.s army air force reserve federal

906
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:41,680
civil service mr stratton is currently

907
00:35:47,430 --> 00:35:44,800
the senior analyst well this is a bio

908
00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:47,440
from just about six months ago i think

909
00:35:52,069 --> 00:35:49,359
currently the senior analyst nimitz

910
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,079
operational intelligence center office

911
00:35:56,310 --> 00:35:54,480
of naval intelligence as the center

912
00:35:58,710 --> 00:35:56,320
senior analyst he's responsible for

913
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,720
delivering comprehensive intelligence to

914
00:36:02,390 --> 00:36:00,560
navy leadership and representing the

915
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:02,400
navy as a senior member of the

916
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:04,160
intelligence committee

917
00:36:11,349 --> 00:36:08,880
prior to that he has an insane

918
00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:11,359
list of appointments including being j-2

919
00:36:15,750 --> 00:36:13,119
director of intelligence with a joint

920
00:36:17,829 --> 00:36:15,760
warfare analysis center

921
00:36:19,030 --> 00:36:17,839
deputy director executive support with

922
00:36:21,030 --> 00:36:19,040
office of the

923
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:21,040
deputy chief of naval operations for

924
00:36:26,150 --> 00:36:24,079
information warfare director air warfare

925
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,160
spear with the nimitz operational

926
00:36:31,670 --> 00:36:28,960
intelligence center chief of air and

927
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:31,680
space warfare at the defense warning

928
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:33,680
office for the dia

929
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:36,000
and many other appointments

930
00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:38,560
but it doesn't mention in his bio that

931
00:36:43,270 --> 00:36:40,640
he was also lu alzhonda apparently

932
00:36:45,100 --> 00:36:43,280
luella sanders number two in

933
00:36:46,670 --> 00:36:45,110
uh in atip

934
00:36:49,829 --> 00:36:46,680
[Music]

935
00:36:51,510 --> 00:36:49,839
[Laughter]

936
00:36:54,069 --> 00:36:51,520
well um

937
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:54,079
so uh really interesting guy and lou

938
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:56,880
elizondo not just mentioned his name but

939
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:57,680
said

940
00:37:01,910 --> 00:36:59,760
uh to representative bridgette that he

941
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:01,920
would be really interested that lou

942
00:37:06,550 --> 00:37:04,000
would be really interested in stratton

943
00:37:08,310 --> 00:37:06,560
getting called to testify as well well i

944
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:08,320
don't think lou elizondo would be doing

945
00:37:12,310 --> 00:37:09,839
that if it meant that he's throwing his

946
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:12,320
number two under the bus i think that

947
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:13,680
they probably

948
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:16,079
have been talking about it and it sounds

949
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:17,040
as if

950
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:19,359
mr stratton may be very interested in

951
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:21,520
testifying himself well i think that

952
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:23,520
would just be

953
00:37:27,349 --> 00:37:24,880
awesome

954
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:27,359
so speaking of testifying in front of a

955
00:37:32,470 --> 00:37:31,200
senate uh up up on june 24th

956
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:32,480
segway

957
00:37:38,950 --> 00:37:36,400
the brazilian senate is actually going

958
00:37:42,310 --> 00:37:38,960
to do their own public hearings

959
00:37:43,589 --> 00:37:42,320
on on uap on unidentified aerial

960
00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:43,599
phenomena

961
00:37:46,069 --> 00:37:44,720
and uh

962
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:46,079
did you want to mention who's who's

963
00:37:49,109 --> 00:37:47,760
going to be presenting well i mean first

964
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:49,119
of all talk about getting your crap

965
00:37:53,510 --> 00:37:50,640
together right

966
00:37:56,470 --> 00:37:53,520
right here here we are like we have a

967
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:56,480
hearing with with two guys who think uh

968
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,119
maelstrom is a sandwich about yay big

969
00:38:03,910 --> 00:38:01,680
and they don't really know anything

970
00:38:06,069 --> 00:38:03,920
um and we have these brazilian hearings

971
00:38:07,829 --> 00:38:06,079
and they're like well yeah let's do it

972
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:07,839
louis zondo check

973
00:38:12,310 --> 00:38:10,800
robert salas mouse from check

974
00:38:14,790 --> 00:38:12,320
you know the other interesting thing to

975
00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:14,800
me is uh that james fox's

976
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:15,760
uh

977
00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,960
had made his documentary um in in in

978
00:38:21,829 --> 00:38:20,160
brazil

979
00:38:24,230 --> 00:38:21,839
and sometimes

980
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,240
i kind of wonder like i wonder if that

981
00:38:28,870 --> 00:38:26,560
has anything to do with this you know i

982
00:38:31,589 --> 00:38:28,880
wonder if the revelations that came from

983
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:31,599
from fox's work kind of maybe helped

984
00:38:37,270 --> 00:38:33,520
push the ball a little forward too who

985
00:38:39,589 --> 00:38:37,280
knows um but yeah um elizondo is doing

986
00:38:41,829 --> 00:38:39,599
some sort of presentation i think uh

987
00:38:43,829 --> 00:38:41,839
solace is going there and i think that's

988
00:38:45,910 --> 00:38:43,839
just awesome because

989
00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:45,920
you know robert salas like come on dude

990
00:38:49,829 --> 00:38:47,760
let the guy testify i can't believe he's

991
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:49,839
not testifying here i mean he's been

992
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:51,760
telling the story

993
00:38:55,670 --> 00:38:54,400
like it's his his life's go you know

994
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:55,680
like work

995
00:39:01,109 --> 00:38:58,800
telling what happened there you know

996
00:39:02,950 --> 00:39:01,119
and um you know

997
00:39:04,870 --> 00:39:02,960
he gets mentioned

998
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:04,880
you know from this gallagher guy but i

999
00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:07,040
don't know if anything's changed but uh

1000
00:39:10,710 --> 00:39:09,280
gallagher never called him back he you

1001
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:10,720
know i called him a couple times he

1002
00:39:14,230 --> 00:39:12,880
never called me back about solace and

1003
00:39:16,230 --> 00:39:14,240
then here he is in the brazilian

1004
00:39:17,990 --> 00:39:16,240
hearings and he's going he's going to

1005
00:39:19,430 --> 00:39:18,000
brazil

1006
00:39:21,349 --> 00:39:19,440
you know like

1007
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:21,359
what a workhorse

1008
00:39:27,270 --> 00:39:24,320
yeah i mean you know if anybody wants to

1009
00:39:29,510 --> 00:39:27,280
fly me to brazil or you to brazil

1010
00:39:31,670 --> 00:39:29,520
for to talk about anything i think we're

1011
00:39:33,510 --> 00:39:31,680
up for it too

1012
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,520
yeah right but um well you know

1013
00:39:37,430 --> 00:39:35,520
portuguese so no it doesn't sound like

1014
00:39:39,190 --> 00:39:37,440
you're bad as it does that's right it

1015
00:39:41,589 --> 00:39:39,200
doesn't sound like a bad assignment you

1016
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:41,599
know i i kind of enjoy the idea that

1017
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:43,119
robert salas has been basically

1018
00:39:48,790 --> 00:39:46,400
petitioning to to speak in

1019
00:39:52,550 --> 00:39:48,800
in in an official capacity and being

1020
00:39:55,349 --> 00:39:52,560
able to brief a congress brief congress

1021
00:39:57,910 --> 00:39:55,359
and uh and the first invite he gets it

1022
00:40:00,710 --> 00:39:57,920
happens to be an absolutely gorgeous

1023
00:40:03,430 --> 00:40:00,720
south american country like brazil so

1024
00:40:05,589 --> 00:40:03,440
uh you know uh

1025
00:40:07,829 --> 00:40:05,599
congratulations on that on that award

1026
00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:07,839
but on that reward but you know i think

1027
00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:10,000
that it's interesting that that salus

1028
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:11,359
you know he's going to be talking

1029
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:13,680
presumably about the malmstrom case for

1030
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:16,000
those of you that that don't know that's

1031
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:18,000
that was in 1967 he

1032
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:21,040
personally witnessed a situation where

1033
00:40:25,829 --> 00:40:24,400
a uap appeared over a nuclear site

1034
00:40:28,069 --> 00:40:25,839
and uh

1035
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:28,079
i believe it was 10 nuclear muscle

1036
00:40:35,190 --> 00:40:31,119
missiles were brought offline

1037
00:40:38,069 --> 00:40:35,200
while the uap was sitting there and um

1038
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,079
in an anomalous way right and this is

1039
00:40:41,589 --> 00:40:40,000
not the only time this has happened but

1040
00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,599
he's one of the most prominent people

1041
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,599
that has gone on record talking about

1042
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:45,599
something like this happening

1043
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,560
um

1044
00:40:50,150 --> 00:40:48,480
so as far as the national security

1045
00:40:53,510 --> 00:40:50,160
debate and things like this this is a

1046
00:40:55,829 --> 00:40:53,520
very concrete example for why why people

1047
00:40:57,030 --> 00:40:55,839
in congress might want to be hearing

1048
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:57,040
totally or

1049
00:41:01,990 --> 00:40:59,599
about about this case or be interested

1050
00:41:03,510 --> 00:41:02,000
in unidentified aerial phenomena in

1051
00:41:06,150 --> 00:41:03,520
general right

1052
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,160
yeah and you know i just uh posted again

1053
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:08,720
on my twitter page a document from 1952

1054
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:12,240
august 14th the c i a osi document that

1055
00:41:18,870 --> 00:41:14,800
states that the uh

1056
00:41:21,270 --> 00:41:18,880
unknown uh cases attic atic also known

1057
00:41:22,870 --> 00:41:21,280
as project sign grudge or whatever

1058
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,880
actually took the unknown cases and

1059
00:41:26,790 --> 00:41:25,280
charted them out on a map

1060
00:41:29,190 --> 00:41:26,800
and in this document they said they put

1061
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,200
them on a map and where they were were

1062
00:41:34,670 --> 00:41:31,920
clustered around nuclear facilities and

1063
00:41:36,309 --> 00:41:34,680
strategic air command basis this is in

1064
00:41:38,790 --> 00:41:36,319
1952

1065
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,800
you know so like this is just

1066
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:41,200
old hat enough is enough let's get on

1067
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:43,119
with the show hello people what's wrong

1068
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,119
with you why do you have to wait for a

1069
00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:47,359
disaster or a worst case scenario for

1070
00:41:51,750 --> 00:41:49,280
something to happen what is wrong with

1071
00:41:54,230 --> 00:41:51,760
you people

1072
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:54,240
you know it's just

1073
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,839
like you know if they would have done

1074
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:57,359
something earlier who knows maybe they

1075
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:59,040
couldn't do anything maybe it's beyond

1076
00:42:03,109 --> 00:42:00,800
their realm of scientific knowledge at

1077
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:03,119
the time and up del salas's encounter

1078
00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:04,319
but maybe

1079
00:42:07,270 --> 00:42:06,160
that didn't have to happen you know

1080
00:42:09,030 --> 00:42:07,280
maybe

1081
00:42:10,630 --> 00:42:09,040
robert salas didn't have to spend his

1082
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:10,640
whole life championing this event

1083
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,520
because

1084
00:42:15,430 --> 00:42:13,520
they took it seriously to begin with and

1085
00:42:16,470 --> 00:42:15,440
figured something out i don't know you

1086
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:16,480
know but

1087
00:42:18,550 --> 00:42:17,359
um

1088
00:42:21,030 --> 00:42:18,560
you know

1089
00:42:22,870 --> 00:42:21,040
we definitely can't get answers uh you

1090
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,880
know from the government so

1091
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,880
to answer that question hopefully we do

1092
00:42:29,349 --> 00:42:27,119
in the future though i guess but yeah

1093
00:42:30,470 --> 00:42:29,359
and and hopefully along these lines you

1094
00:42:32,790 --> 00:42:30,480
know hopefully

1095
00:42:35,910 --> 00:42:32,800
this this brazilian senate hearing with

1096
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:35,920
louis zondo giving a video presentation

1097
00:42:41,349 --> 00:42:39,040
and and salus um going down there in

1098
00:42:43,589 --> 00:42:41,359
person and presumably answering some

1099
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:43,599
questions as well you know

1100
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:44,960
hopefully

1101
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:47,200
this it'll be interesting to see if this

1102
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,359
happens before the next

1103
00:42:55,349 --> 00:42:52,079
uh congressional committee hearing on

1104
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:55,359
uap in our country um gets scheduled

1105
00:42:59,270 --> 00:42:57,040
because there's been a lot of rumors

1106
00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,280
floating around that the next

1107
00:43:05,030 --> 00:43:02,319
the next um committee hearing on uap

1108
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:05,040
issues is going to happen rather soon or

1109
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,319
at least yeah

1110
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:08,160
the date's going to get announced rather

1111
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:08,960
soon

1112
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:11,599
so even we even heard about possibly

1113
00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:14,480
this week but you know um unfortunately

1114
00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,359
we've

1115
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,760
had a pretty nasty event in our country

1116
00:43:20,390 --> 00:43:18,960
that

1117
00:43:22,550 --> 00:43:20,400
i think

1118
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:22,560
you know everybody's minds are on at the

1119
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:24,160
time so maybe

1120
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:26,000
people are just distracted but

1121
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:28,319
distracted rightfully so from

1122
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:30,640
from wrapping their heads uh around

1123
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:32,640
anything else you know since the event

1124
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:34,480
in texas but

1125
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:36,319
sure you know

1126
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:38,839
so but you always have to deal with

1127
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:42,640
um you know real life stuff

1128
00:43:45,910 --> 00:43:44,480
and juggle things and try to make a

1129
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:45,920
brief decisions

1130
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:48,640
you know um which is is never easy in

1131
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:50,560
this case

1132
00:43:54,069 --> 00:43:52,480
you know there's so much uh around the

1133
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:54,079
world that's just happening one thing

1134
00:43:58,870 --> 00:43:55,680
after the other

1135
00:43:59,670 --> 00:43:58,880
uh that is really hard

1136
00:44:04,069 --> 00:43:59,680
to

1137
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:04,079
i could imagine but

1138
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:05,760
you know in the end hopefully

1139
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:08,880
you know we do see uh some hearings

1140
00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:11,119
oh absolutely sooner or later

1141
00:44:15,190 --> 00:44:13,680
absolutely and you know that's it's a

1142
00:44:16,950 --> 00:44:15,200
horrible tragedy what happened down

1143
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:16,960
there and also

1144
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:18,000
you know

1145
00:44:20,710 --> 00:44:19,119
we also

1146
00:44:23,750 --> 00:44:20,720
pay these people to juggle a bunch of

1147
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:23,760
different topics at once and and

1148
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,119
you know we're

1149
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:27,200
not surprised when they fail miserably

1150
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,960
at it often

1151
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:30,720
in terms of

1152
00:44:37,030 --> 00:44:34,319
but um you know i think

1153
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:37,040
when i like i i'm hopeful and i'm

1154
00:44:42,790 --> 00:44:40,880
optimistic that um you know

1155
00:44:45,190 --> 00:44:42,800
it's kind of burned in my skull that

1156
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,200
idea that you know there's never a right

1157
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:47,599
time there's never there's never a wrong

1158
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:49,440
time and there's never there's never a

1159
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:51,040
wrong time to be talking about these

1160
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:53,440
issues because in in many ways this is

1161
00:44:57,510 --> 00:44:55,839
just this is always an evergreen topic

1162
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,520
we're always talking about some of the

1163
00:45:01,670 --> 00:44:59,520
biggest questions that you could ask

1164
00:45:04,069 --> 00:45:01,680
so i i

1165
00:45:06,470 --> 00:45:04,079
i look forward to being able to have

1166
00:45:08,150 --> 00:45:06,480
those conversations and

1167
00:45:10,550 --> 00:45:08,160
i look forward to

1168
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,560
the topic breaching water again on terms

1169
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,319
of like the nightly news i think it's

1170
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,319
always great when that happens oh man

1171
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:16,880
yeah and i think you know after the the

1172
00:45:23,990 --> 00:45:20,000
big um kind of stinker the last hearings

1173
00:45:25,829 --> 00:45:24,000
or i don't i i would think that if if uh

1174
00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:25,839
if and when i should say more hearings

1175
00:45:28,950 --> 00:45:26,720
happen

1176
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:28,960
uh you know there will be probably some

1177
00:45:34,230 --> 00:45:31,440
sort of uh concerted effort to make sure

1178
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:34,240
it's not a complete stinker again but

1179
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:35,200
you know

1180
00:45:38,069 --> 00:45:36,720
time will tell

1181
00:45:39,910 --> 00:45:38,079
um

1182
00:45:42,390 --> 00:45:39,920
i don't think we have anything else on

1183
00:45:43,510 --> 00:45:42,400
the news tap we had the the cold heart

1184
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:43,520
in uh

1185
00:45:47,670 --> 00:45:45,040
and uh jimmy church interviewed there

1186
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,680
wasn't a whole lot as far as news other

1187
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:49,440
than you know cole hair talking about

1188
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,960
his anonymous sources

1189
00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:52,319
one of which i believe is a us

1190
00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:54,640
representative who uh he said he talked

1191
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:57,119
to that saw the 23 minute video that

1192
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:58,640
left

1193
00:46:02,470 --> 00:46:00,319
basically saying it changed their life

1194
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:02,480
the 23 minute video that was

1195
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,520
um first mentioned on this channel ding

1196
00:46:09,109 --> 00:46:07,359
ding ding ding that people don't seem to

1197
00:46:11,109 --> 00:46:09,119
talk about but that's okay

1198
00:46:14,710 --> 00:46:11,119
because it's not about me but still be

1199
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,829
but uh

1200
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:18,000
but yeah um

1201
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,760
that's right so that's interesting to

1202
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,599
hear and you know how they picked the

1203
00:46:25,589 --> 00:46:23,920
the stupid feeling the hearings it's the

1204
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,599
freaking worst one and they're just

1205
00:46:29,190 --> 00:46:27,119
trying to get away with this bull crap

1206
00:46:31,430 --> 00:46:29,200
and it pisses me off and i love hearing

1207
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:31,440
ross coldheart say [\h__\h] it's my

1208
00:46:36,390 --> 00:46:33,359
favorite thing because every time he

1209
00:46:39,109 --> 00:46:36,400
says that i go yeah [\h__\h]

1210
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:39,119
so so for those of us so for those out

1211
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:40,800
there listening that that aren't aware

1212
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:42,560
of this there's been a long rumored

1213
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,560
23-minute um uh confidential like top

1214
00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,000
secret or i don't know what the

1215
00:46:53,510 --> 00:46:50,480
clearance level is on this puppy but um

1216
00:46:55,910 --> 00:46:53,520
but there's apparently a 23-minute

1217
00:46:56,790 --> 00:46:55,920
craft video out there that is in crystal

1218
00:46:57,670 --> 00:46:56,800
clear

1219
00:47:01,670 --> 00:46:57,680
um

1220
00:47:05,109 --> 00:47:01,680
uh hd resolution if not better and and

1221
00:47:06,069 --> 00:47:05,119
it is an extraordinary detail

1222
00:47:08,829 --> 00:47:06,079
and

1223
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:08,839
um has been shown in

1224
00:47:14,309 --> 00:47:12,000
in closed door hearings

1225
00:47:16,230 --> 00:47:14,319
on capitol hill for a while now and

1226
00:47:17,589 --> 00:47:16,240
louis lozando's mentioned it for a while

1227
00:47:20,390 --> 00:47:17,599
other people have mentioned it ross

1228
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:20,400
coldheart's talking about it and

1229
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,839
um apparently it's incredibly convincing

1230
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,520
there's other convincing footage that's

1231
00:47:28,870 --> 00:47:27,440
out there

1232
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:28,880
but

1233
00:47:32,710 --> 00:47:30,640
that i've heard about and you have

1234
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:32,720
probably as well but this 23 minute

1235
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:34,160
video

1236
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:35,920
keeps getting highlighted keeps getting

1237
00:47:42,150 --> 00:47:38,480
highlighted and we hope that it sees the

1238
00:47:42,950 --> 00:47:42,160
light of day sometime soon right yeah um

1239
00:47:44,230 --> 00:47:42,960
yeah

1240
00:47:46,069 --> 00:47:44,240
absolutely

1241
00:47:47,109 --> 00:47:46,079
and interestingly you know some of these

1242
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:47,119
videos

1243
00:47:50,710 --> 00:47:49,440
i've heard you know that that some of

1244
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:50,720
these videos

1245
00:47:53,910 --> 00:47:51,599
um

1246
00:47:55,990 --> 00:47:53,920
have loose enough clearance

1247
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,000
that that you can just if you have

1248
00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,839
j-wicks which is basically like the

1249
00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:59,440
confidential version of the internet

1250
00:48:01,750 --> 00:48:00,960
that anybody with a security clearance

1251
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:01,760
has

1252
00:48:06,069 --> 00:48:04,720
um or most as far as i know uh i think

1253
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:06,079
there's two different versions but if

1254
00:48:12,150 --> 00:48:08,800
you've got jwix you can literally just

1255
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:12,160
search for uap videos and you can find

1256
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,680
better videos than what we've got and so

1257
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,000
you know the fact that you know i mean

1258
00:48:22,950 --> 00:48:20,480
we understand that that things work this

1259
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:22,960
way sometimes but some of these these

1260
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:26,000
better uap videos are not you know

1261
00:48:30,790 --> 00:48:28,800
hidden in a drawer at nasa in some

1262
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:30,800
office that nobody's ever going to find

1263
00:48:34,470 --> 00:48:32,400
on the outskirts of boise idaho or

1264
00:48:36,470 --> 00:48:34,480
something like that like they're

1265
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:36,480
literally on their confidential version

1266
00:48:40,870 --> 00:48:38,079
of the internet just sitting there

1267
00:48:42,790 --> 00:48:40,880
waiting to be like keyworded in

1268
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,800
um so

1269
00:48:47,430 --> 00:48:44,160
it makes it a little bit maddening

1270
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,440
sometimes yeah sure totally right yeah

1271
00:48:52,549 --> 00:48:49,359
but yeah i thought that was interesting

1272
00:48:54,470 --> 00:48:52,559
you know and ross uh you know has a lot

1273
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:54,480
of juicy gossip from anonymous sources

1274
00:48:58,309 --> 00:48:56,480
including that we have programs to shoot

1275
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:58,319
and take down uap which i think is a

1276
00:49:03,109 --> 00:49:01,520
terrible idea you know probably but

1277
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:03,119
you know we've been trying to do it for

1278
00:49:07,190 --> 00:49:04,960
years i mean ever since the battle of

1279
00:49:10,069 --> 00:49:07,200
l.a as far as i can know you know right

1280
00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:10,079
back in 1942 we you know made the cover

1281
00:49:15,349 --> 00:49:12,400
of the newspaper out in la you know that

1282
00:49:18,230 --> 00:49:15,359
that um there was an a ufo that showed

1283
00:49:20,309 --> 00:49:18,240
up during world war ii over los angeles

1284
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:20,319
and because of war preparedness and not

1285
00:49:23,990 --> 00:49:22,480
knowing what the germans or the japanese

1286
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:24,000
had um

1287
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,040
uh

1288
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,160
the military just shelled the living

1289
00:49:32,230 --> 00:49:30,559
[\h__\h] out of it over la and you know

1290
00:49:33,589 --> 00:49:32,240
thousands and thousands of people watch

1291
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:33,599
this and just hovered there there's

1292
00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:35,839
pictures you know people just throwing

1293
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,160
whatever they could at it uh in terms of

1294
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,559
firepower and it not being even

1295
00:49:45,910 --> 00:49:42,880
seemingly dinged and then disappearing

1296
00:49:47,030 --> 00:49:45,920
right so we have a long-standing

1297
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:47,040
you know

1298
00:49:49,510 --> 00:49:47,920
saying

1299
00:49:51,190 --> 00:49:49,520
if anybody especially during that

1300
00:49:52,790 --> 00:49:51,200
sub-community hearing saying like oh

1301
00:49:55,510 --> 00:49:52,800
yeah we've never done that we don't do

1302
00:49:57,829 --> 00:49:55,520
that it's hogwash it's ridiculous

1303
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:57,839
it is watching especially if you read

1304
00:50:01,190 --> 00:50:00,240
all the the blue book reports about how

1305
00:50:03,109 --> 00:50:01,200
they're

1306
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:03,119
you know i can't even

1307
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:05,040
i can't even remember count how many

1308
00:50:09,910 --> 00:50:07,200
blue book reports i've read where

1309
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:09,920
they've you know vectored planes

1310
00:50:14,069 --> 00:50:11,359
over bogeys

1311
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:14,079
that were unidentified

1312
00:50:19,510 --> 00:50:16,559
you know absolutely the thing is

1313
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:19,520
uh they just can't catch them

1314
00:50:26,470 --> 00:50:21,200
because

1315
00:50:27,910 --> 00:50:26,480
know at least probably a hundred hundred

1316
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,920
plus years ahead of us probably

1317
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:29,359
thousands

1318
00:50:32,069 --> 00:50:30,880
um so

1319
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:32,079
you know what are you gonna do you can

1320
00:50:36,069 --> 00:50:33,520
try all you want but you're shooting at

1321
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:36,079
the air at the end because you just

1322
00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:38,720
can't do it

1323
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:41,520
because you're just not uh capable

1324
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,760
of it with with our technology but who

1325
00:50:48,230 --> 00:50:45,359
knows if

1326
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:48,240
you know um that stuff changes which i'm

1327
00:50:52,069 --> 00:50:51,119
i'm sure it will if it hasn't already so

1328
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:52,079
yeah

1329
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:56,319
interesting

1330
00:51:00,150 --> 00:50:58,000
uh contact cases that we were going to

1331
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,160
talk about today as well yeah yeah it's

1332
00:51:04,549 --> 00:51:02,400
a good time to get to that sp speaking

1333
00:51:07,589 --> 00:51:04,559
of advanced technology and the

1334
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:07,599
possibilities of being misunderstood and

1335
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:10,880
the dangers of maybe coming too close to

1336
00:51:15,190 --> 00:51:12,880
some of these crafts sometimes and other

1337
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:15,200
such things um do you would you want to

1338
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:16,720
start with yours and then i can roll

1339
00:51:21,670 --> 00:51:19,520
into mine sure yeah the the one i have

1340
00:51:22,710 --> 00:51:21,680
is um

1341
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:22,720
well

1342
00:51:27,109 --> 00:51:24,400
yeah i mean excited about this by the

1343
00:51:28,470 --> 00:51:27,119
way it it's a great case it really is

1344
00:51:30,150 --> 00:51:28,480
and i was thinking about doing a

1345
00:51:31,109 --> 00:51:30,160
different case until

1346
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:31,119
um

1347
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:33,520
you know i got on this one

1348
00:51:36,710 --> 00:51:35,200
and

1349
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:36,720
it's an interesting

1350
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:40,640
story because i kind of just ran into it

1351
00:51:46,150 --> 00:51:43,040
so to speak i was looking up

1352
00:51:48,390 --> 00:51:46,160
um cases on a faded disc where they have

1353
00:51:49,430 --> 00:51:48,400
like audio testimony of different cases

1354
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,440
and stuff

1355
00:51:54,069 --> 00:51:51,680
and i was on this one that happened in

1356
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:54,079
uh january 1979

1357
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,400
and this uh air force captain actually

1358
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:58,400
calls into the ufo hotline saying this

1359
00:52:02,470 --> 00:52:00,800
person called him

1360
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:02,480
and you know

1361
00:52:07,910 --> 00:52:05,280
gave him his story about how uh he saw

1362
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:07,920
the ship and two beings came out

1363
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,760
and and so on and so forth but the

1364
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,200
recording wound up being kind of too

1365
00:52:15,510 --> 00:52:13,680
crummy and you know i couldn't really

1366
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:15,520
take listening to too much more of it

1367
00:52:19,270 --> 00:52:18,079
but because i did that i then googled up

1368
00:52:21,109 --> 00:52:19,280
googled and tried to look more

1369
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:21,119
information on it and i found the case

1370
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:24,079
that that really is amazing and it's val

1371
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:25,280
johnson

1372
00:52:28,950 --> 00:52:26,160
um

1373
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,960
in marshall county minnesota 1979 in

1374
00:52:32,390 --> 00:52:30,400
august

1375
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:32,400
but i am gonna play just a little clip

1376
00:52:38,630 --> 00:52:36,640
that describes it and before that um is

1377
00:52:41,910 --> 00:52:38,640
a little bit of the audio testimony of

1378
00:52:43,750 --> 00:52:41,920
what i described from kingsman arizona

1379
00:52:47,190 --> 00:52:43,760
and there's similarities in these two

1380
00:52:49,270 --> 00:52:47,200
cases both of them are in 1979

1381
00:52:52,309 --> 00:52:49,280
and both of them have

1382
00:52:55,030 --> 00:52:52,319
uh physical injuries which i just find

1383
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:55,040
a little too uh coincidental so i'm just

1384
00:52:57,910 --> 00:52:56,480
gonna play that it's about three minutes

1385
00:53:00,069 --> 00:52:57,920
long i'm playing it because it gives you

1386
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:00,079
a great breakdown of the case and we can

1387
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:02,480
discuss afterwards so i'm psyched

1388
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:08,230
air force base in arizona

1389
00:53:12,470 --> 00:53:10,319
i just received i'm in the command

1390
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:12,480
center here i just received a call from

1391
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:13,680
a gentleman

1392
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:16,160
at kingman arizona that i think may be

1393
00:53:20,549 --> 00:53:18,480
interesting enough for you to look into

1394
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:20,559
okay do you have his name sir

1395
00:53:25,990 --> 00:53:23,520
i do his name is

1396
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:26,000
he claims to have

1397
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,400
seen a couple of lights

1398
00:53:33,030 --> 00:53:30,720
off the road between

1399
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:33,040
bullhead city on the colorado river and

1400
00:53:37,670 --> 00:53:34,720
kingman

1401
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:37,680
and stopped to investigate

1402
00:53:40,870 --> 00:53:39,839
and to have seen

1403
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:40,880
two

1404
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:43,520
very small individuals dressed in white

1405
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:46,079
suits that were reflective

1406
00:53:48,870 --> 00:53:48,240
and had some type of communication with

1407
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:48,880
them

1408
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:51,040
and that they then retreated from him

1409
00:53:55,510 --> 00:53:53,839
and the lights

1410
00:53:58,069 --> 00:53:55,520
went straight up

1411
00:54:00,790 --> 00:53:58,079
he sounded rational

1412
00:54:04,069 --> 00:54:00,800
and sober

1413
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:04,079
and the nature of his

1414
00:54:08,710 --> 00:54:06,400
conversation over the phone at least

1415
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:08,720
made it sound like he was pulling a

1416
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:11,839
practical joke so i think maybe at least

1417
00:54:15,750 --> 00:54:14,160
it would be worth some type of check all

1418
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:15,760
right sir could i get your name again

1419
00:54:20,950 --> 00:54:19,119
yes this is major gents jnson

1420
00:54:23,109 --> 00:54:20,960
by the way uh

1421
00:54:25,750 --> 00:54:23,119
he stated he's gonna be at his house

1422
00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:25,760
this evening but he won't be available

1423
00:54:30,390 --> 00:54:28,400
tomorrow due to some traveling

1424
00:54:32,069 --> 00:54:30,400
and

1425
00:54:33,829 --> 00:54:32,079
he mentioned he did have an appointment

1426
00:54:36,549 --> 00:54:33,839
with a doctor in the morning to check

1427
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:36,559
some type of burns that he has on his

1428
00:55:22,069 --> 00:54:38,799
body that he thinks came from this

1429
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:24,390
i traveled about a mile

1430
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:26,400
and the light seemed to

1431
00:55:30,069 --> 00:55:28,880
intercept me so to speak

1432
00:55:32,710 --> 00:55:30,079
came the

1433
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:32,720
came right upon me it was painful the

1434
00:55:36,470 --> 00:55:34,160
light was extremely brilliant and

1435
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:36,480
painful i closed my eyes and i

1436
00:55:40,549 --> 00:55:38,240
heard the sound of breaking glass and

1437
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:40,559
that's the last i remember is truly

1438
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:42,480
unexplainable to me or

1439
00:55:54,069 --> 00:55:51,670
listen closely

1440
00:55:56,069 --> 00:55:54,079
407 uh what is your condition

1441
00:55:58,549 --> 00:55:56,079
i don't know

1442
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:58,559
someone just hit my car

1443
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,510
strange

1444
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:05,680
are you uh what's your condition are you

1445
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:07,280
okay

1446
00:56:12,549 --> 00:56:10,000
something attacked my car

1447
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,559
i heard the glass breaking and the locks

1448
00:56:21,829 --> 00:56:14,000
the

1449
00:56:25,910 --> 00:56:23,910
my eyes were extremely painful as if i'd

1450
00:56:27,829 --> 00:56:25,920
been subjected to uh

1451
00:56:30,230 --> 00:56:27,839
something like arc welder burn or

1452
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:30,240
something

1453
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:31,280
my uh

1454
00:56:35,430 --> 00:56:33,520
there's some staff put in my eyes and

1455
00:56:38,069 --> 00:56:35,440
they were covered with an adhesive

1456
00:56:39,910 --> 00:56:38,079
bandage but in a matter of six to eight

1457
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,920
hours it cleared up

1458
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,240
the request was made by mr allen henry

1459
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:44,480
to ford motor company and

1460
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,319
through the normal chain of command down

1461
00:56:49,750 --> 00:56:47,920
to the glass division

1462
00:56:51,670 --> 00:56:49,760
i as the

1463
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:51,680
so-called glass expert

1464
00:56:54,069 --> 00:56:52,559
was

1465
00:56:55,589 --> 00:56:54,079
asked to come out and examine the

1466
00:57:00,309 --> 00:56:55,599
windshield

1467
00:57:03,190 --> 00:57:00,319
are not unusual in themselves any one of

1468
00:57:05,829 --> 00:57:03,200
which i could reproduce

1469
00:57:07,109 --> 00:57:05,839
myself in the laboratory

1470
00:57:10,470 --> 00:57:07,119
but

1471
00:57:13,510 --> 00:57:10,480
as a group they're unusual

1472
00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,520
i'm convinced that the fractures as we

1473
00:57:17,670 --> 00:57:15,440
see here were made by

1474
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:17,680
some type of a blow from the outside of

1475
00:57:21,430 --> 00:57:20,400
the glass by some

1476
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:21,440
firm

1477
00:57:25,510 --> 00:57:23,599
uh probably hard object

1478
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:25,520
but with not sufficient

1479
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:27,920
force to crush the glass but enough

1480
00:57:31,349 --> 00:57:30,000
force to bend the glass to the point of

1481
00:57:32,630 --> 00:57:31,359
breaking it

1482
00:57:33,589 --> 00:57:32,640
i have not seen anything like this

1483
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:33,599
before

1484
00:57:38,230 --> 00:57:36,079
they are extremely unusual

1485
00:57:40,549 --> 00:57:38,240
i've been in law enforcement for about

1486
00:57:41,910 --> 00:57:40,559
15 years i've been the chief deputy

1487
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,920
sheriff in

1488
00:57:44,549 --> 00:57:43,680
marshall county for eight years and i

1489
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,559
was

1490
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,319
elected sheriff of

1491
00:57:51,430 --> 00:57:48,720
marshall county last january first so

1492
00:57:54,069 --> 00:57:51,440
i've been in office about a year now

1493
00:57:55,430 --> 00:57:54,079
the car the car itself had the busted

1494
00:57:57,349 --> 00:57:55,440
headlights

1495
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:57,359
the windshield was broke

1496
00:58:00,150 --> 00:57:58,960
one of the red lights on top of the roof

1497
00:58:03,030 --> 00:58:00,160
was wrong

1498
00:58:04,470 --> 00:58:03,040
the antennas were bent backward where if

1499
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:04,480
an object would have strengthened and

1500
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:06,000
struck them they should have been bent

1501
00:58:08,470 --> 00:58:06,960
forward

1502
00:58:10,470 --> 00:58:08,480
but they were bent the opposite way as

1503
00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:10,480
if some force had vented

1504
00:58:13,990 --> 00:58:11,839
well it's uh

1505
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,000
it's uh brought our family union unit

1506
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,839
closer together well there was a lot of

1507
00:58:20,710 --> 00:58:18,240
people confused about it and a lot of uh

1508
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:20,720
unusual stories that came out about it

1509
00:58:24,390 --> 00:58:22,559
uh but

1510
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:24,400
it's brought us closer together as a

1511
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:26,720
family unit upon reflection afterwards

1512
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:28,720
it's been about six months now upon

1513
00:58:32,549 --> 00:58:30,319
reflection

1514
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:32,559
we've kind of come to the conclusion

1515
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:33,440
that

1516
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:35,119
perhaps the creator has made other

1517
00:58:38,549 --> 00:58:36,720
things that we can't readily see or

1518
00:58:48,950 --> 00:58:38,559
readily identify and perhaps this is one

1519
00:58:53,829 --> 00:58:51,670
yeah so that so that's it that's a

1520
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:53,839
amazing case you can you can hear from

1521
00:58:57,910 --> 00:58:56,319
the 911 call that the guy is uh

1522
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:57,920
definitely startled

1523
00:59:02,630 --> 00:58:59,839
um

1524
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,640
yeah he sounds dazed shocked even you

1525
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:04,480
know uh

1526
00:59:06,870 --> 00:59:05,680
i uh

1527
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:06,880
that was

1528
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:10,720
vulnerable state he was in at the time

1529
00:59:15,190 --> 00:59:12,559
which is completely understandable on

1530
00:59:16,470 --> 00:59:15,200
tracks with so many other cases that we

1531
00:59:18,710 --> 00:59:16,480
hear about

1532
00:59:20,789 --> 00:59:18,720
so he's driving his cop car just down

1533
00:59:23,510 --> 00:59:20,799
the road a light comes at him

1534
00:59:26,390 --> 00:59:23,520
um and

1535
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:26,400
basically smacks his car he's he

1536
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:29,920
the brakes seize up on him he

1537
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:32,880
ones up doing like a crazy turn and kind

1538
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:34,640
of like stalling out

1539
00:59:39,349 --> 00:59:36,720
and he passes out

1540
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:39,359
he passes out and i believe

1541
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:42,240
it's i think it was when he woke up that

1542
00:59:44,829 --> 00:59:43,599
he made that call

1543
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,839
um

1544
00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:46,400
but

1545
00:59:49,910 --> 00:59:49,040
it you know the his antennas are are

1546
00:59:52,710 --> 00:59:49,920
bent

1547
00:59:55,349 --> 00:59:52,720
there's uh his window is shattered

1548
00:59:57,829 --> 00:59:55,359
and he has like radiation burns

1549
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:57,839
basically on his eyes and that's why i

1550
01:00:02,309 --> 01:00:00,240
played the the kingsman arizona case

1551
01:00:04,870 --> 01:00:02,319
because that person reported that too

1552
01:00:06,549 --> 01:00:04,880
and the interesting part about these

1553
01:00:08,870 --> 01:00:06,559
cases is

1554
01:00:10,630 --> 01:00:08,880
there are reputable honest people

1555
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:10,640
there's there's some parts that i wanted

1556
01:00:13,510 --> 01:00:12,400
to put in that video that i didn't

1557
01:00:16,150 --> 01:00:13,520
because there was music in the

1558
01:00:17,670 --> 01:00:16,160
background and and i didn't want to

1559
01:00:19,990 --> 01:00:17,680
deal with that but

1560
01:00:21,990 --> 01:00:20,000
um you know that cop that other cop that

1561
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,000
talked about him talks about what a what

1562
01:00:25,829 --> 01:00:24,400
a good person he is and what a family

1563
01:00:26,870 --> 01:00:25,839
man is

1564
01:00:29,109 --> 01:00:26,880
um

1565
01:00:30,789 --> 01:00:29,119
you know i read that all the time in

1566
01:00:32,309 --> 01:00:30,799
these cases is

1567
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,319
they're they're not

1568
01:00:36,230 --> 01:00:34,400
the people that you know this person

1569
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:36,240
wouldn't make something up you know like

1570
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:37,680
like the air force

1571
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:40,480
kingsman uh arizona case where this guy

1572
01:00:43,349 --> 01:00:41,680
does

1573
01:00:44,870 --> 01:00:43,359
he sounds like he's telling the truth

1574
01:00:46,789 --> 01:00:44,880
man you know

1575
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:46,799
and i think it's about time we realize

1576
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:49,119
that these people are telling the truth

1577
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:52,799
and you know these people were affected

1578
01:00:56,390 --> 01:00:55,599
um physically by this

1579
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:56,400
and

1580
01:00:58,470 --> 01:00:57,680
you know it's

1581
01:01:15,430 --> 01:00:58,480
the

1582
01:01:18,390 --> 01:01:15,440
he said our creator might have

1583
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:18,400
other things that were made too you know

1584
01:01:21,750 --> 01:01:20,720
and we often talk about

1585
01:01:24,150 --> 01:01:21,760
uh

1586
01:01:26,870 --> 01:01:24,160
people often talk about disclosure and

1587
01:01:29,030 --> 01:01:26,880
it's changing people's paradigms and

1588
01:01:31,349 --> 01:01:29,040
something louis zondo and berchette

1589
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:31,359
talked about is you know

1590
01:01:35,990 --> 01:01:33,119
will it change religion

1591
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:36,000
or how people view this or that and

1592
01:01:40,150 --> 01:01:37,359
um

1593
01:01:41,990 --> 01:01:40,160
and how they didn't think it will and

1594
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:42,000
you know we just look at this guy and

1595
01:01:46,230 --> 01:01:43,760
this is what i see happening from

1596
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:46,240
something like disclosure

1597
01:01:51,109 --> 01:01:48,559
it brings people closer together it

1598
01:01:53,190 --> 01:01:51,119
brought his family closer together

1599
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:53,200
you know and then you can go down the

1600
01:01:56,630 --> 01:01:54,319
road of

1601
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:56,640
maybe he needed that

1602
01:02:00,870 --> 01:01:58,400
maybe he needed to be closer to his

1603
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,880
family maybe this happened for some sort

1604
01:02:04,789 --> 01:02:02,720
of reason like that

1605
01:02:05,750 --> 01:02:04,799
you know

1606
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:05,760
it's

1607
01:02:11,510 --> 01:02:10,000
think you put it brilliantly i think you

1608
01:02:14,069 --> 01:02:11,520
absolutely put it brilliantly i was

1609
01:02:15,510 --> 01:02:14,079
really struck by that as well that him

1610
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:15,520
and of course you know that's a

1611
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:17,280
situation where

1612
01:02:21,190 --> 01:02:18,640
um

1613
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:21,200
you know he's on camera the officer he

1614
01:02:26,390 --> 01:02:23,920
you know he's got a tv host pointing a

1615
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:26,400
microphone at him and he's sitting there

1616
01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:28,079
and he's trying to

1617
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:30,799
and he there's an element where you can

1618
01:02:35,750 --> 01:02:33,520
tell that he's been

1619
01:02:36,789 --> 01:02:35,760
working through this in his own mind in

1620
01:02:39,510 --> 01:02:36,799
terms of

1621
01:02:42,549 --> 01:02:39,520
what you know what is my framework what

1622
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:42,559
what world framework am i working with

1623
01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:45,520
here and and recognizing that when he

1624
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:48,079
gets up there and he's got the tv lights

1625
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:50,160
on him that he's going to have to

1626
01:02:53,910 --> 01:02:51,680
kind of

1627
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:53,920
spit something out about

1628
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:56,319
what what the framework might be and he

1629
01:03:00,309 --> 01:02:59,520
did a wonderful job of trying to kind of

1630
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:00,319
in

1631
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:07,599
the experience that he had

1632
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:08,480
and

1633
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:10,480
you know i mean that it's just such a

1634
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:12,799
common situation of people trying to say

1635
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:15,680
you know this doesn't necessarily

1636
01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:17,119
have to mean

1637
01:03:21,029 --> 01:03:19,039
that that

1638
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:21,039
my religion is wrong or that my

1639
01:03:24,470 --> 01:03:23,039
spirituality is wrong maybe that you

1640
01:03:26,390 --> 01:03:24,480
know maybe

1641
01:03:29,109 --> 01:03:26,400
you know the creation is just bigger

1642
01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:29,119
than we anticipated it and

1643
01:03:34,789 --> 01:03:31,599
i think that that's that's a perfectly

1644
01:03:36,710 --> 01:03:34,799
cool and a perfectly acceptable and a

1645
01:03:38,390 --> 01:03:36,720
way to frame things you know personally

1646
01:03:40,789 --> 01:03:38,400
not that anybody needs to listen to me

1647
01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:40,799
but you know there's there's there's

1648
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:43,520
that middle ground that a lot of people

1649
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:45,839
are going to potentially be struggling

1650
01:03:51,270 --> 01:03:48,240
with over the course of the next years

1651
01:03:53,589 --> 01:03:51,280
in terms of looking at the reality of of

1652
01:03:55,990 --> 01:03:53,599
uaps and other paranormal phenomena

1653
01:03:58,230 --> 01:03:56,000
coming closer into focus other

1654
01:04:00,950 --> 01:03:58,240
civilizations potentially coming closer

1655
01:04:04,309 --> 01:04:00,960
into focus and then having to reconcile

1656
01:04:05,750 --> 01:04:04,319
that with um how you grew up and

1657
01:04:07,109 --> 01:04:05,760
the family structures you're in and

1658
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:07,119
things like that

1659
01:04:13,349 --> 01:04:10,079
yeah and how can it be a bad thing to

1660
01:04:15,750 --> 01:04:13,359
look at the wider spectrum of of reality

1661
01:04:18,069 --> 01:04:15,760
you know how can it be a bad thing to

1662
01:04:20,150 --> 01:04:18,079
open your mind up to the possibilities

1663
01:04:21,990 --> 01:04:20,160
of the universe you know

1664
01:04:23,829 --> 01:04:22,000
i see a lot of people in the chat saying

1665
01:04:26,069 --> 01:04:23,839
it changed my life

1666
01:04:27,029 --> 01:04:26,079
when i had my thing and it changed mine

1667
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:27,039
too

1668
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:31,680
we wouldn't be here together

1669
01:04:36,150 --> 01:04:33,760
you know doing this show if if we each

1670
01:04:38,789 --> 01:04:36,160
didn't have our encounter so right there

1671
01:04:41,910 --> 01:04:38,799
is evidence that our lives were taken

1672
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:41,920
from one uh path and put on a different

1673
01:04:47,270 --> 01:04:44,799
uh path and and maybe it's because

1674
01:04:49,029 --> 01:04:47,280
uh more humans need to start thinking

1675
01:04:50,630 --> 01:04:49,039
about the bigger

1676
01:04:52,470 --> 01:04:50,640
the bigger questions

1677
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:52,480
you know and and start thinking about a

1678
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:55,200
wider reality because honestly

1679
01:04:59,510 --> 01:04:56,960
for the most part we've all been slaves

1680
01:05:02,230 --> 01:04:59,520
to a night you know to living in a box

1681
01:05:03,910 --> 01:05:02,240
and set rules for far too long which

1682
01:05:05,829 --> 01:05:03,920
i've never thought life was supposed to

1683
01:05:07,829 --> 01:05:05,839
be that way when you spend your life

1684
01:05:10,309 --> 01:05:07,839
doing things that you don't really enjoy

1685
01:05:11,750 --> 01:05:10,319
for something like money i i don't think

1686
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:11,760
that's the way the world's supposed to

1687
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:14,000
work and who am i to say that that's why

1688
01:05:17,430 --> 01:05:15,920
i had my experience or other people do

1689
01:05:18,789 --> 01:05:17,440
but i think

1690
01:05:21,270 --> 01:05:18,799
you know when people start thinking

1691
01:05:23,829 --> 01:05:21,280
about the larger picture

1692
01:05:26,069 --> 01:05:23,839
you know things like that start to you

1693
01:05:28,710 --> 01:05:26,079
know rightfully so looking a little

1694
01:05:31,910 --> 01:05:28,720
silly and and we come together a little

1695
01:05:32,789 --> 01:05:31,920
bit a little bit more so yeah yeah i

1696
01:05:34,470 --> 01:05:32,799
agree

1697
01:05:36,870 --> 01:05:34,480
these things this can be really

1698
01:05:39,589 --> 01:05:36,880
challenging scenarios to go through but

1699
01:05:41,270 --> 01:05:39,599
you know when when i met you i met you

1700
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:41,280
that the very day

1701
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:44,160
that i went public as an experiencer via

1702
01:05:48,150 --> 01:05:46,559
ralph blumenthal's article that

1703
01:05:50,069 --> 01:05:48,160
eventually got published in in the

1704
01:05:53,589 --> 01:05:50,079
debrief you know it's just five hours

1705
01:05:55,990 --> 01:05:53,599
later that joe merja introduced us right

1706
01:05:57,510 --> 01:05:56,000
and that's been a wonderful thing for my

1707
01:05:59,829 --> 01:05:57,520
life you know doing the show with the

1708
01:06:02,309 --> 01:05:59,839
wonderful people here you know and

1709
01:06:05,029 --> 01:06:02,319
having this regular conversation that we

1710
01:06:07,270 --> 01:06:05,039
do you know we met last weekend you and

1711
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:07,280
i in person for the first time

1712
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:09,680
yes and there's so many there's so many

1713
01:06:13,109 --> 01:06:12,240
people in our community that we talk to

1714
01:06:16,470 --> 01:06:13,119
you know

1715
01:06:19,109 --> 01:06:16,480
when we're not streaming on youtube that

1716
01:06:21,910 --> 01:06:19,119
you know their lives became richer when

1717
01:06:23,510 --> 01:06:21,920
they decided to ask bigger questions you

1718
01:06:26,390 --> 01:06:23,520
know and

1719
01:06:28,309 --> 01:06:26,400
something that really rocked the world

1720
01:06:30,549 --> 01:06:28,319
may have happened before that or not you

1721
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:30,559
know but the idea of engaging with these

1722
01:06:34,470 --> 01:06:32,480
questions um

1723
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:34,480
is is often

1724
01:06:39,109 --> 01:06:36,960
it it becomes

1725
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:39,119
you know the secret mindset of or being

1726
01:06:43,349 --> 01:06:41,599
able to like move through that it it

1727
01:06:45,910 --> 01:06:43,359
really um

1728
01:06:48,950 --> 01:06:45,920
it really broadens it runs her horizons

1729
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:48,960
you know or it often does and you know

1730
01:06:52,470 --> 01:06:51,200
when people can really embrace that side

1731
01:06:53,510 --> 01:06:52,480
of the question

1732
01:06:56,069 --> 01:06:53,520
then

1733
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:56,079
often something really beautiful happens

1734
01:07:00,630 --> 01:06:58,079
you know that actually can lead me

1735
01:07:03,430 --> 01:07:00,640
really well into into my case if you

1736
01:07:05,029 --> 01:07:03,440
don't mind is that okay yeah please okay

1737
01:07:06,950 --> 01:07:05,039
it'll be quick and

1738
01:07:08,390 --> 01:07:06,960
interestingly it has

1739
01:07:13,750 --> 01:07:08,400
a lot of themes that we're just talking

1740
01:07:15,510 --> 01:07:13,760
about and it also uh involves um the

1741
01:07:18,230 --> 01:07:15,520
a family getting together and talking

1742
01:07:20,630 --> 01:07:18,240
about anomalous experience now this is

1743
01:07:24,150 --> 01:07:20,640
from this is from abduction

1744
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:24,160
it's from john max classic abduction um

1745
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:26,240
dr john mack of course won a pulitzer

1746
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:27,119
prize

1747
01:07:32,549 --> 01:07:29,839
uh not for this work but for for his

1748
01:07:35,270 --> 01:07:32,559
prior writing uh he was also the a

1749
01:07:38,870 --> 01:07:35,280
professor of psychiatry at harvard

1750
01:07:40,630 --> 01:07:38,880
medical school now um okay this is from

1751
01:07:42,950 --> 01:07:40,640
chapter five i'll just read a little bit

1752
01:07:44,309 --> 01:07:42,960
if that's okay and it's got a nice

1753
01:07:47,270 --> 01:07:44,319
little surprise ending that i think

1754
01:07:50,710 --> 01:07:47,280
people appreciate beautiful okay

1755
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:50,720
so chapter five uh summer of 1992.

1756
01:07:55,670 --> 01:07:53,760
scott it's a pseudonym scott was 24 when

1757
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:55,680
he first when we first met in november

1758
01:08:00,549 --> 01:07:58,319
1991 after he expressed interest in

1759
01:08:01,510 --> 01:08:00,559
joining my monthly abductee support

1760
01:08:03,190 --> 01:08:01,520
group

1761
01:08:05,270 --> 01:08:03,200
he was seeing a psychotherapist at the

1762
01:08:07,589 --> 01:08:05,280
time because of anxieties related to his

1763
01:08:09,190 --> 01:08:07,599
abduction experiences and she thought

1764
01:08:11,190 --> 01:08:09,200
the group could be helpful in giving him

1765
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:11,200
the opportunity to meet other abduction

1766
01:08:16,149 --> 01:08:13,440
experiencers and then allowing him to

1767
01:08:17,990 --> 01:08:16,159
share the conflicts that had grown out

1768
01:08:21,030 --> 01:08:18,000
of his encounters

1769
01:08:22,950 --> 01:08:21,040
my policy then and now has been to meet

1770
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:22,960
personally with abductees before

1771
01:08:27,030 --> 01:08:25,040
including them in the group

1772
01:08:29,430 --> 01:08:27,040
scott's case demonstrates the dramatic

1773
01:08:31,990 --> 01:08:29,440
personal transformations that possible

1774
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:32,000
when an abductee directly confronts the

1775
01:08:37,110 --> 01:08:34,640
reality of his abduction experiences and

1776
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:37,120
the powerful emotions associated with

1777
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:39,759
them scott also

1778
01:08:43,669 --> 01:08:41,199
is uh

1779
01:08:46,070 --> 01:08:43,679
scott is a tall husky forthright young

1780
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:46,080
man whose slightly breezy manner belies

1781
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:47,759
his underlying thoughtfulness and

1782
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:50,319
sensitivity qualities which have

1783
01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:53,920
expanded in the time i've known him

1784
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:55,920
he's played the piano since childhood

1785
01:09:01,030 --> 01:08:58,319
he's an expiring songwriter he wanted to

1786
01:09:02,950 --> 01:09:01,040
be a pilot but all the medical stuff he

1787
01:09:04,950 --> 01:09:02,960
was put through as a result of his

1788
01:09:07,590 --> 01:09:04,960
abduction experience has made this

1789
01:09:09,669 --> 01:09:07,600
difficult he says

1790
01:09:11,430 --> 01:09:09,679
now in the summer of 1992 scott went

1791
01:09:13,510 --> 01:09:11,440
through a period in which his customary

1792
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:13,520
vigilant animalistic and fear related

1793
01:09:18,070 --> 01:09:14,960
defensiveness

1794
01:09:19,990 --> 01:09:18,080
um calling himself a security freak

1795
01:09:21,189 --> 01:09:20,000
and fearing each night that he would be

1796
01:09:23,430 --> 01:09:21,199
abducted

1797
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:23,440
scott hardwired the house where he lives

1798
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:25,679
alone with a radio alarm he activated at

1799
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:27,679
night mounted surveillance cameras in

1800
01:09:31,910 --> 01:09:30,080
several locations as a deterrent and a

1801
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:31,920
microphone by the front door with a

1802
01:09:35,430 --> 01:09:33,520
speaker next to his bed for night

1803
01:09:37,910 --> 01:09:35,440
monitoring

1804
01:09:39,910 --> 01:09:37,920
that gave way for a time to more intense

1805
01:09:42,229 --> 01:09:39,920
feelings of vulnerability helplessness

1806
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:42,239
and separateness from his family within

1807
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:44,000
the experiencer group we often caught

1808
01:09:48,870 --> 01:09:46,560
talk about this as the the phenomenon of

1809
01:09:50,709 --> 01:09:48,880
hyper vigilance and it's a very very

1810
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:50,719
common phenomena among a lot of

1811
01:09:54,390 --> 01:09:52,719
different types of experiencers that

1812
01:09:55,750 --> 01:09:54,400
have trouble sleeping at night because

1813
01:09:57,910 --> 01:09:55,760
of fear

1814
01:09:59,990 --> 01:09:57,920
i felt this is scott talking i felt

1815
01:10:02,790 --> 01:10:00,000
completely open to anybody to strike me

1816
01:10:04,550 --> 01:10:02,800
down or do whatever they wanted to do

1817
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:04,560
instead of the controlled person he had

1818
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:06,080
been scott discovered that the

1819
01:10:10,790 --> 01:10:08,560
uncontrolled person was the real thing i

1820
01:10:13,430 --> 01:10:10,800
was scared i mean i felt i could be

1821
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:13,440
destroyed i did not feel safe at all it

1822
01:10:18,630 --> 01:10:16,560
was completely unpaved ground for me

1823
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:18,640
it was this opening the surrender of

1824
01:10:22,790 --> 01:10:20,719
control that paved the way to the

1825
01:10:24,709 --> 01:10:22,800
transformation of scott's relationship

1826
01:10:26,950 --> 01:10:24,719
to his abduction experiences into

1827
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:26,960
profound changes in his experience of

1828
01:10:33,110 --> 01:10:30,080
his own consciousness and identity

1829
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:33,120
scott's sister was also an abductee

1830
01:10:40,709 --> 01:10:35,840
scott and lee that's his sisters scott

1831
01:10:45,270 --> 01:10:43,270
what is most remarkable about emily and

1832
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:45,280
an important aspect of this case is the

1833
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:47,920
extraordinary steadfastness and support

1834
01:10:51,669 --> 01:10:50,080
that she has given to her children

1835
01:10:54,070 --> 01:10:51,679
she's the only parent who comes

1836
01:10:56,149 --> 01:10:54,080
regularly to my support group meetings

1837
01:10:57,990 --> 01:10:56,159
says john mack and though she has

1838
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:58,000
suffered deeply over her children's

1839
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:00,159
abduction-related distresses

1840
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:02,960
she's fully accepted the reality of her

1841
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,280
children report they have been through

1842
01:11:09,189 --> 01:11:07,440
in addition she feels a deep intuitive

1843
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:09,199
sense that the process that they are

1844
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:12,000
undergoing is one of personal growth and

1845
01:11:15,910 --> 01:11:13,760
ultimate enlightenment

1846
01:11:18,630 --> 01:11:15,920
this attitude whether whatever its

1847
01:11:20,790 --> 01:11:18,640
ultimate truth may prove to be is unique

1848
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:20,800
in my experience among the parents of

1849
01:11:24,870 --> 01:11:22,320
abductees

1850
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:24,880
now i'll i'll do one more little quote

1851
01:11:28,310 --> 01:11:26,159
from here because i don't want to take

1852
01:11:30,790 --> 01:11:28,320
up too much time

1853
01:11:32,709 --> 01:11:30,800
he had his first experiences at three it

1854
01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:32,719
was a very common situation of being

1855
01:11:36,470 --> 01:11:34,719
brought up and medical examinations

1856
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:36,480
happening same thing happening to his

1857
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:37,600
sister

1858
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:39,679
samples being taken and that this was

1859
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:41,920
not a single thing the first experience

1860
01:11:44,310 --> 01:11:42,800
happened

1861
01:11:47,110 --> 01:11:44,320
in his recall when he was about three

1862
01:11:48,870 --> 01:11:47,120
years old and it happened periodically

1863
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:48,880
after that point

1864
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:51,679
now here towards the end at our support

1865
01:11:55,910 --> 01:11:53,600
group meeting on february 24th scott

1866
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:55,920
just back from la spoke of the feeling

1867
01:12:00,070 --> 01:11:58,320
that we are being prepared for something

1868
01:12:02,310 --> 01:12:00,080
that there was perhaps a plan of some

1869
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:02,320
sort that we are not in control and

1870
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:05,360
someone else is running the show

1871
01:12:08,390 --> 01:12:06,239
quote

1872
01:12:10,229 --> 01:12:08,400
getting through the trauma part he said

1873
01:12:12,870 --> 01:12:10,239
has opened up the real stuff the

1874
01:12:14,550 --> 01:12:12,880
spiritual behind it and he spoke further

1875
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:14,560
of a bigger power at work and his

1876
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:17,280
experiences scott recalled that quote

1877
01:12:21,830 --> 01:12:19,600
when it happened to me as a kid

1878
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:21,840
unquote he felt he had to work on being

1879
01:12:27,430 --> 01:12:23,679
quote able to stay in the same room

1880
01:12:29,590 --> 01:12:27,440
without panicking without fear

1881
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:29,600
the april 1990 episode he said was a

1882
01:12:34,070 --> 01:12:31,679
step up in intensity majorly and almost

1883
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,080
felt like testing but there's definitely

1884
01:12:39,430 --> 01:12:36,960
that anger

1885
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:39,440
god anger just to lash out from being

1886
01:12:42,390 --> 01:12:41,199
touched from being under somebody else's

1887
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,400
control

1888
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,239
now later he said

1889
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:46,560
there's a

1890
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:48,239
scott spoke further in this meeting

1891
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:49,920
about breaking through the trauma stuff

1892
01:12:53,510 --> 01:12:51,920
and of personal growth his abduction

1893
01:12:55,270 --> 01:12:53,520
experiences he said had made clear to

1894
01:12:57,030 --> 01:12:55,280
them that there's a massive amount of

1895
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:57,040
information in my head that i can't even

1896
01:13:01,830 --> 01:13:00,159
understand the aliens he suggested are

1897
01:13:03,750 --> 01:13:01,840
quote helping us grow so we can

1898
01:13:05,350 --> 01:13:03,760
comprehend them they're getting us

1899
01:13:07,750 --> 01:13:05,360
trained to get us to a point where we

1900
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:07,760
can deal with them unquote

1901
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:12,159
now i want to read one quick quote

1902
01:13:17,189 --> 01:13:14,960
and follow up from ralph blumenthal's

1903
01:13:19,590 --> 01:13:17,199
book the believer which is a biography

1904
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:19,600
on john mack of course he had access to

1905
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:21,840
john mack's private notes and this is

1906
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:25,600
okay to to mention um uh for sure

1907
01:13:29,189 --> 01:13:27,360
um

1908
01:13:31,030 --> 01:13:29,199
this is uh he's going back in the

1909
01:13:33,270 --> 01:13:31,040
history uh

1910
01:13:35,110 --> 01:13:33,280
uh ralph says of john his monthly

1911
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:35,120
support group had recently started

1912
01:13:40,709 --> 01:13:37,600
working with a 24 year old aspiring

1913
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:40,719
actor filmmaker pianist and songwriter

1914
01:13:45,830 --> 01:13:43,679
named randall nickerson a tom hanks look

1915
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:45,840
alike with a fascinating family history

1916
01:13:51,750 --> 01:13:49,040
of abduction experiences who john whom

1917
01:13:53,510 --> 01:13:51,760
john mack would give the pseudonym scott

1918
01:13:55,750 --> 01:13:53,520
in his books

1919
01:13:58,149 --> 01:13:55,760
so that story that we just heard was

1920
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:58,159
about randall nickerson the director of

1921
01:14:01,510 --> 01:14:00,000
the aerial phenomenon movie that just

1922
01:14:03,430 --> 01:14:01,520
came out

1923
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:03,440
i thought that that was an absolutely

1924
01:14:07,990 --> 01:14:06,239
beautiful beautiful situation in terms

1925
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:08,000
of how he was able to

1926
01:14:11,510 --> 01:14:10,719
move through 30 years and be able to

1927
01:14:13,430 --> 01:14:11,520
to

1928
01:14:15,350 --> 01:14:13,440
make something productive of what had

1929
01:14:19,430 --> 01:14:15,360
happened with him

1930
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:19,440
i just got that chills all over my body

1931
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:22,159
um that's beautiful man

1932
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:23,920
it goes

1933
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:26,960
goes to show that um

1934
01:14:32,709 --> 01:14:30,560
you know your initial thoughts about

1935
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:32,719
you know your experience or something

1936
01:14:36,870 --> 01:14:35,120
dramatic doesn't have to be what it what

1937
01:14:39,510 --> 01:14:36,880
it uh really

1938
01:14:41,270 --> 01:14:39,520
ends up being for you you know maybe

1939
01:14:43,669 --> 01:14:41,280
maybe it takes some time

1940
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:43,679
to work through things to

1941
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:45,360
see yourself out on the other side and

1942
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:46,880
something more beautiful because

1943
01:14:49,669 --> 01:14:47,840
apparent

1944
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:49,679
you know um

1945
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:51,920
aerial phenomenon um is a beautiful

1946
01:14:57,669 --> 01:14:53,440
movie

1947
01:14:58,790 --> 01:14:57,679
absolutely it's it's to me

1948
01:15:01,830 --> 01:14:58,800
uh

1949
01:15:03,110 --> 01:15:01,840
to me it captures

1950
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:03,120
i don't

1951
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:07,199
something that long you know like uh the

1952
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:09,840
charac the person in aerial phenomenon

1953
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,600
and all those kids

1954
01:15:15,750 --> 01:15:13,440
and how it's haunted them and that how

1955
01:15:18,630 --> 01:15:15,760
that girl has just drawn the same scene

1956
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:18,640
over and over and over again her whole

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life you know

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um people don't

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01:15:27,430 --> 01:15:25,440
you know realize um

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01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:27,440
what people go through and how much it

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01:15:30,790 --> 01:15:28,400
weighs

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01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:30,800
on them and how much they think about it

1963
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and how they're basically

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i i don't want to say slave to it but

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basically just

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that's them now

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that's their life now

1968
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:43,440
that's who they are now they don't have

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01:15:46,390 --> 01:15:44,960
a choice

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01:15:48,790 --> 01:15:46,400
that's right you know

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01:15:51,270 --> 01:15:48,800
they can't

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01:15:54,310 --> 01:15:51,280
choose don't see it

1973
01:15:55,910 --> 01:15:54,320
or unexperience it and go back

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01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:55,920
to you know

1975
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:58,080
whatever it is they used to like

1976
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and used to do

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you know

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i mean you can still do that but i but

1979
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you know what i mean like

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your obsession is is now this

1981
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:11,040
because it's that impactful

1982
01:16:15,510 --> 01:16:14,000
and that's right and you can make

1983
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:15,520
lemonade out of it

1984
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,719
like uh mr nickerson did because

1985
01:16:23,189 --> 01:16:20,640
he's made one of uh the more beautiful

1986
01:16:25,510 --> 01:16:23,199
movies i've ever seen on this

1987
01:16:28,149 --> 01:16:25,520
on this subject so

1988
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and it should uh

1989
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you know makes me even more angry to

1990
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:32,560
know uh how people complained about

1991
01:16:36,070 --> 01:16:34,640
the price and how he uh you know came

1992
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:36,080
out with the movie and all that stuff

1993
01:16:40,390 --> 01:16:37,760
it's like

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you know and he's too humble to even uh

1995
01:16:44,630 --> 01:16:42,880
tell his story

1996
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:44,640
you know so people can

1997
01:16:50,550 --> 01:16:48,480
uh put that context along with this he's

1998
01:16:53,030 --> 01:16:50,560
he doesn't want it to be a part of it he

1999
01:16:54,070 --> 01:16:53,040
just releases the beautiful movie

2000
01:16:56,310 --> 01:16:54,080
you know

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01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:56,320
um such a humble a good person i would

2002
01:17:03,270 --> 01:16:58,000
love to meet him sometime

2003
01:17:05,030 --> 01:17:03,280
yeah yeah me too me too i um i just i

2004
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:05,040
i'm really impressed that movie was

2005
01:17:08,550 --> 01:17:06,560
incredible the documentary for those

2006
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:08,560
that haven't seen an aerial phenomenon

2007
01:17:11,510 --> 01:17:09,520
um

2008
01:17:14,070 --> 01:17:11,520
uh you know he's

2009
01:17:15,750 --> 01:17:14,080
it costs 20 online right now there's

2010
01:17:17,830 --> 01:17:15,760
talk about later on that it'll

2011
01:17:19,669 --> 01:17:17,840
eventually get to streaming services

2012
01:17:22,149 --> 01:17:19,679
maybe amazon prime so you can do

2013
01:17:24,550 --> 01:17:22,159
on-demand or things like that um yeah

2014
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:24,560
and um but yeah

2015
01:17:29,350 --> 01:17:27,520
it's it's a really amazing

2016
01:17:31,350 --> 01:17:29,360
situation what happened with randall

2017
01:17:34,709 --> 01:17:31,360
nickerson and it's such a typical

2018
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:34,719
scenario as an as an experiencer and you

2019
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:36,400
know the fact that

2020
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:39,840
that he was able to

2021
01:17:44,630 --> 01:17:42,400
you know through the work and through

2022
01:17:47,750 --> 01:17:44,640
through him doing the work himself

2023
01:17:49,990 --> 01:17:47,760
randall with john you know he became an

2024
01:17:51,669 --> 01:17:50,000
early reference point for many other

2025
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:51,679
experiencers that were trying to deal

2026
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:53,840
with their own situations and not only

2027
01:17:58,070 --> 01:17:56,159
that he became a pivotal early case of

2028
01:17:59,110 --> 01:17:58,080
how this happens often within family

2029
01:18:02,149 --> 01:17:59,120
groups

2030
01:18:03,750 --> 01:18:02,159
you know so even even while he was he

2031
01:18:06,149 --> 01:18:03,760
was dealing through the dealing with

2032
01:18:08,790 --> 01:18:06,159
this stuff himself he was being

2033
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:08,800
incredibly giving in terms of being able

2034
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:09,679
to

2035
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:12,800
uh be used as

2036
01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:16,400
using his story an anonymized framework

2037
01:18:22,070 --> 01:18:19,360
um to to give voice to these issues and

2038
01:18:25,510 --> 01:18:22,080
so that john mack could really champion

2039
01:18:27,830 --> 01:18:25,520
the cause of experience or advocacy and

2040
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:27,840
that these situations really occur

2041
01:18:33,990 --> 01:18:31,199
so yeah yeah um but you know what an

2042
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:34,000
inspiring story i thought oh man

2043
01:18:37,510 --> 01:18:34,880
man

2044
01:18:38,830 --> 01:18:37,520
it's not a competition but if it was

2045
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:38,840
first

2046
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:40,480
place

2047
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:46,310
right over there i mean man that that

2048
01:18:52,310 --> 01:18:48,640
yeah they took my breath away it made me

2049
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:52,320
a little cry cry baby gave me chills all

2050
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:53,360
over

2051
01:19:00,070 --> 01:18:56,640
uh it was really a beautiful

2052
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:00,080
success story of somebody who can

2053
01:19:04,470 --> 01:19:02,960
um you know conquer the fear

2054
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:04,480
you know get through that part of where

2055
01:19:07,510 --> 01:19:05,760
you're

2056
01:19:10,149 --> 01:19:07,520
you know um

2057
01:19:13,590 --> 01:19:10,159
get and maybe sucks experiences it but

2058
01:19:15,830 --> 01:19:13,600
the hyper vigilance aspect

2059
01:19:17,590 --> 01:19:15,840
you know because i would imagine

2060
01:19:19,669 --> 01:19:17,600
when you're in that

2061
01:19:21,750 --> 01:19:19,679
state of mind the hyper vigilance like

2062
01:19:24,709 --> 01:19:21,760
it's hard to break out of that and focus

2063
01:19:27,350 --> 01:19:24,719
on doing something artistic like he did

2064
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:27,360
with the the movie a real phenomenon so

2065
01:19:31,590 --> 01:19:29,679
i would have to imagine that he found a

2066
01:19:33,750 --> 01:19:31,600
way to break through that hyper

2067
01:19:34,630 --> 01:19:33,760
vigilance and find focus

2068
01:19:37,350 --> 01:19:34,640
and

2069
01:19:38,950 --> 01:19:37,360
to do something good with his experience

2070
01:19:41,110 --> 01:19:38,960
that would help other people which is

2071
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:41,120
just so amazing that somebody would even

2072
01:19:46,709 --> 01:19:43,600
take the time to do that first of all

2073
01:19:51,189 --> 01:19:48,390
which is another thing about a lot of

2074
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:51,199
experiences is they are so giving and

2075
01:19:54,149 --> 01:19:52,960
all they want to do is help other people

2076
01:19:55,590 --> 01:19:54,159
that have been through dramatic

2077
01:19:56,950 --> 01:19:55,600
experiences

2078
01:19:57,830 --> 01:19:56,960
um

2079
01:19:59,590 --> 01:19:57,840
you know

2080
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:59,600
to get the comfort that they need so i

2081
01:20:02,630 --> 01:20:01,280
don't know it's just an amazing story

2082
01:20:04,709 --> 01:20:02,640
all around

2083
01:20:06,070 --> 01:20:04,719
absolutely i won't be able to say the

2084
01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:06,080
right thing but

2085
01:20:09,110 --> 01:20:07,520
uh it's great

2086
01:20:12,149 --> 01:20:09,120
no that's all the right thing that's all

2087
01:20:14,390 --> 01:20:12,159
the right thing you know i mean

2088
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:14,400
it's beautiful i um

2089
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:17,120
well it's it's it's great to have the

2090
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:19,440
laughs and the tears and the big

2091
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:21,040
questions that we do

2092
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:23,520
every week here together yeah so i

2093
01:20:27,430 --> 01:20:25,520
really i really appreciate this time

2094
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:27,440
with you man i always love you

2095
01:20:32,709 --> 01:20:30,639
full-bodied muscle car over here huh

2096
01:20:34,709 --> 01:20:32,719
that's right that's right

2097
01:20:36,709 --> 01:20:34,719
it's always a wonderful roller coaster i

2098
01:20:38,709 --> 01:20:36,719
love it absolutely real good right there

2099
01:20:41,830 --> 01:20:38,719
too yeah he spent 14 years on that film

2100
01:20:43,189 --> 01:20:41,840
now that's dedication you know beautiful

2101
01:20:45,189 --> 01:20:43,199
so absolutely

2102
01:20:47,350 --> 01:20:45,199
love you buddy another great show

2103
01:20:49,350 --> 01:20:47,360
absolutely love you too buddy i think we

2104
01:20:51,669 --> 01:20:49,360
covered a lot of good ground today and i

2105
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:51,679
look forward to next week uh we have

2106
01:20:57,189 --> 01:20:53,520
we're gonna be talking with steven

2107
01:20:58,629 --> 01:20:57,199
bassett we'll be talking probably but

2108
01:21:00,070 --> 01:20:58,639
there'll be a little bit of there'll be

2109
01:21:01,430 --> 01:21:00,080
a little bit of talking yet there'll be

2110
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:01,440
a little bit of talking with it's going

2111
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:03,760
to be awesome yeah he's one of my

2112
01:21:08,070 --> 01:21:05,600
favorite guys i i love hanging out with

2113
01:21:10,390 --> 01:21:08,080
him so yeah we're cool

2114
01:21:11,910 --> 01:21:10,400
well thanks to everybody in the chat and

2115
01:21:13,830 --> 01:21:11,920
thanks to everybody that's listening to

2116
01:21:15,030 --> 01:21:13,840
this right now and just listening to it

2117
01:21:15,830 --> 01:21:15,040
in the future

2118
01:21:19,189 --> 01:21:15,840
um

2119
01:21:21,189 --> 01:21:19,199
uh we say hi to you from the past and uh

2120
01:21:22,709 --> 01:21:21,199
thank you um for for listening to the

2121
01:21:24,709 --> 01:21:22,719
show today it's been an absolute

2122
01:21:25,910 --> 01:21:24,719
pleasure being with you all

2123
01:21:33,700 --> 01:21:25,920
peace